Lying about child's age for free admission

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Costing out a day trip to the zoo, now that DC has turned two have to factor in their ticket cost. DH says that we should just say he isn't yet two so it's free, and that everyone does it. Just wondered what the general consensus is on this? I feel bad lying but see his point that DS is still pretty young and could end up napping through a lot of it so won't necessarily benefit.

limitedperiodonly:

Let's assume I am not starving. If I was starving, the analogy wouldn't work, because I would need the food, whereas no-one needs to go to the zoo.

Oh limited it's nothing to do with comprehension. They know fine well what you're talking about but are taking the opportunity to attempt to smugly berate you because you've engaged politely and reasonably with them and in T's case you are one of the few she is actually not ignoring.

If nobody needs to go to the zoo why are there so many charaties taking under privileged kids to the zoo and theme parks?

If children dont need days out and holidays why did my school take kids to silverdale? Why did my parents and most parents in my class pay the £120 to go to Inglborough and a couple of kids went free? If day trips and holidays are not important then why do these charaties exsist?

ArchNotImpudent

That is exactly what they do because children's ages are so hard to judge. I mentioned earlier I've worked for 2 companies and they both do this. They put the paying child age lower than the actual age they want people to pay because they know parents will try to get them in for free for at least a year above their actual age. It's common knowledge. They also know a 3 year old getting in free with say 3 other paying members is great. As money will be spent in the park on those other 3 members. And 3 year olds are great in gift shops!

Trifle I could be someone who said they killed people because God told me to do it. That would be my moral code, though it would still be illegal, and possibly something of which you would disapprove.

That is the difference between a moral code and the law of the land.

I don't know where you stand on the penalty for someone caught lying about the age of a child in order to get cheap entry to a zoo. That's naughty but I wouldn't say it deserved the death penalty. Ankle tag? Imprisonment? The treatment? Do let me know your thoughts.

Porpoiselife Thanks for your industry insight, that's interesting.

I can't help thinking how much simpler it would be if companies could simply rely on the majority being honest, rather than the other way round! And having an unwritten system like this does penalise the honest - OK, staff on the gates might wave the older children through when parents try to pay, but that's not a lot of use if you've already bought your tickets online.

MsGameandWatch I get it. They haven't said what their moral code is, have they? I don't think that's very fair. I'm punching in the dark.

'Ask not, lest you be judged,' as Jesus said

I've got a cold, am sleep deprived and feel like shit which is why I'm probably not understanding this and irritating the shit out of everyone.

I don't understand what you're using "moral code" to mean. You do a thing which you agree is wrong (you feel it to be wrong) but you also say that this is consistent with your moral code. In my stupefied state I thought a moral code was what you personally feel is right and wrong. So how can doing a thing which you believe/agree/know/think is wrong be consistent with your code of what is right and wrong?

limitedperiodonly:

I have explained why your explanation isn't an explanation of any moral code. It is an expression of pragmatism at best and amorality at worst - you do what you can get away with.

That ends the discussion for me.

I've got a cold, am sleep deprived and feel like shit which is why I'm probably not understanding this and irritating the shit out of everyone.

And I have a brain tumour which I think trumps you if I was playing that game. But I'm not, so take some Lemsip and go to bed if you're feeling sleepy.

By my moral code, what I'm doing is right. That's how moral codes work. They don't have to be right by anyone else. That's why we have laws.

That ends the discussion for me.

If only this was true 😥

We're all going around in circles, perhaps because of different use of language: I would do this knowing it was wrong. To me, being wrong means being against my moral code. Illegal means being against the law. By and large my moral code lines up with the law, as it happens.

The op now knows that almost everyone agrees with her DH, that everyone does it, and she shouldn't worry. A few people have found out that they have been over paying all these years because they were supposed to lie about their children's ages.

I will carry on telling the truth unless there is a pressing reason otherwise. My choice. I don't judge or name call people who choose differently.

I'm not playing a game. You're attempting to shame me for not understanding you and for attempting to explain why I might not be grasping what you're saying today, and another poster is insinuating that I do understand and I am being disingenuous. I absolutely do not expect me feeling a little under the weather to be counted in any way similar to coping with a brain tumour. I'm really sorry I mentioned anything to do with me and how I'm feeling. It's clearly in no way comparable or worth mentioning.

I am too stupid to be discussing anything with you, so I'll stop trying and apologize for what I've said.

I've done this. It came back and bit me on the bum when he had an accident at the venue, an ambulance was called and I could hear the first aider saying 'yes, an infant, under 2' to the dispatcher and I had to confess.

I find this very hard to believe. If an ambulance is called, they don't check your ticket stub to see how old you claimed the patient was!

Thats another joining our list.

Seriously there will be nobody left soon. I dont know why you just dont leave seen as there will be so few posters left to talk to that arent on your list!

Imperial very true.

I wondered that too Imperial.

I do it all the time. Go for it

Maybe they ran to the gate first to check the age with the person who paid them in?

Eh? You buy a ticket, say "One adult, one infant" and go through. If there was a baby who'd had an accident then they wouldn't run to the gate and say "Can you find the ticket for the child who's injured? We need to check their age. No, we won't bother the mother...."

I know, I was being tongue in cheek 😊

It might be my moral code to oppose abortion. However, in Britain it is legal.

That's the difference between a moral code and the law. We can have a moral code that is in conflict with the law. It's not wrong because it is our personal belief. But if we act on it in transgression of the law then we might be open to prosecution.

Do you get it now? I'm going to bed soon but I can explain it to you again if you're still confused. I'm helpful like that.

limitedperiodonly:

You are confusing people because you are talking out of both sides of your mouth, limited. On the one hand, you say:

We can have a moral code that is in conflict with the law. It's not wrong because it is our personal belief

and

By my moral code, what I'm doing is right.

In the other you say you know it wrong but you do it because you can get away with it.

Anyway, again this is going in circles but it is because you are contradicting yourself.

Before you began being rude I would happily have continued debating with you, but given the sarcasm towards people who are only trying to understand where you are coming from, on top of the clearly contradictory points, I just CBA.

Goodnight.

Lie away, the prices are hiked and over inflated anyway.Save while you can.