Lying about child's age for free admission

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Costing out a day trip to the zoo, now that DC has turned two have to factor in their ticket cost. DH says that we should just say he isn't yet two so it's free, and that everyone does it. Just wondered what the general consensus is on this? I feel bad lying but see his point that DS is still pretty young and could end up napping through a lot of it so won't necessarily benefit.

Fraud Act 2006

How can lying about something not be deceit? Is there some new dictionary definition of telling lies that I have missed?

We all know that lying is wrong. We all know that some people will do it anyway. I'm out

Fraud act 2006 doesn't apply to this

Trainspotting1984:

It looked otherwise to me. Why not?

11Obtaining services dishonestly

(1)A person is guilty of an offence under this section if he obtains services for himself or another—
(a)by a dishonest act, and
(b)in breach of subsection (2).
(2)A person obtains services in breach of this subsection if—
(a)they are made available on the basis that payment has been, is being or will be made for or in respect of them,
(b)he obtains them without any payment having been made for or in respect of them or without payment having been made in full, and
(c)when he obtains them, he knows—
(i)that they are being made available on the basis described in paragraph (a), or
(ii)that they might be,but intends that payment will not be made, or will not be made in full.
(3)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable—
(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum (or to both);
(b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to a fine (or to both).
(4)Subsection (3)(a) applies in relation to Northern Ireland as if the reference to 12 months were a reference to 6 months.

I don't lie about my children's ages to get them into places...

It is dishonest
It is unfair on the people who DO pay
I will not teach my children it is okay to lie

How can I expect my kids to tell the truth if they see me lie?

This sort of thing really gets to me and I am amazed by the encouragement on here to lie. Disgusting. Hope you're all proud of yourselves.

Would you shoplift? Same thing.

But...., you don't know much about it do you? I mean, you just googled.

Oh. And annoyingly this has led to 'pay by height' entry. I am penalised because of others' dishonesty - my kids are tall.

Trainspotting1984:

Is this evasiveness deliberate? If you know it doesn't apply, please explain.

The point is, you are stating something to be true you know nothing about. You googled a law to find one that applied. The law is far, far more complex than that. I'm
Astonished you think otherwise

Have you wondered why probation centres all over the land aren't full of remorseful lying parents?

Trainspotting1984:

In other words, you don't know, and the way you will convince yourself is pretending you need some arcane knowledge of the law to comprehend and interpret plain English.

I was 10 at a particular Chinese buffet forever growing up! I think child prices stopped at like 11/12 so my Mum used to just say I was younger.

Oh bless. I don't need to convince myself of anything. Why do you think no one is prosecuted under the act you googled then?

I've been thinking about this as we're taking DS1 for his 3rd birthday to a theme park on the actual day. We've got merlin passes so hoping to not have to pay for him either for that one day!

Trainspotting1984:

You're moving into being so condescending that I can only assume you know you've lost the argument and are resorting to rudeness. I'm done with engaging with you.

Trifle is right re:Fraud Act. You can imagine the MN outrage if someone was prosecuted. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be though.

She's not right. Buying a ticket to a theme park/ zoo is a civil contract.

There is no argument to loose trifle. You need to realise you're not "right" and there isn't always an argument to be won. Especially when discussing morality and ethics

Years ago we used to sneak into the pictures for free through the fire escape doors, great feeling, got to see the film for free. We didn't learn this off "dishonest" parents, just a case of needs must. People who go on about dishonesty? give over, it's how the world works. How do you think the rich get rich.

I am done responding to Trainspotting, just for avoidance of doubt.

No worries trifle. I won't be using the 'civil contract' argument next time we have a banking fraud or whatever in court.
Maybe, if I buy four shirts and only pay for three, I can only be sued. Only, that's not quite how it works...

train, it used to be called 'obtaining services by deception' but was put under a big fraud umbrella in the 2006 act to simply things. Or maybe not...

It's not the same though is it cat? No shirt to steal. I think we clarified that about 10 pages ago...

And we lost the beautiful 'pecuniary advantage' term.