Brexit Orange Juice (and everything else) a complete rip off

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I notice in the supermarket this morning that the 1 litre cartons of Tropicana juice are now either 950ml or 850mls. Of course, the price has remained the same.

Looking at the aisles in the supermarket this morning, I can see that products have been shrinking at a very dramatic rate in the last few months.

This surreptitious inflation (shrinkflation) seems to have got really out of hand at the moment.I get the impression the major retailers seem to have decided the Great British Public are complete fools and won't notice.

Ta1kin We can just set our import tariffs to 0% for all these items - just because the EU has a tariff (and the UK does at the moment) doesn't mean we have to keep it post brexit - that is the whole point of the hard Brexit. Unless you suggest the EU will introduce an export tariff?

We can just set our import tariffs to 0% for all these items
So with import tariffs of zero from all over the world, British farmers are royally screwed
cheap GM soya from the USA
dodgy chicken from Thailand
rain forest pork from Brazil
you REALLY think that the UK will benefit from zero tariffs (and thus lower government income) and thus the destruction of UK industry?

China will dump its steel and kill our industry stone dead
The USA will dump its coal
etc etc

You really do not understand how international trade works do you ?

Either way, caroldecker, you will still end up paying 30% more for food as it is usually priced in $
(and possibly a lot more if the £ collapses further.)

But who will pick the turnips?
That's easy. The good people of Lincolnshire and Cambridgeshire who have been complaining for years that those damn foreigners have been stealing their jobs will, of course, be rushing into the fields on Independence Day to reclaim their birthright. It's what they voted for, isn't it?

I'm going to create a special all new Brexit turnip variety, it's going to called Sovereignty and it's going to be uprooted by proper British workers. The 23rd of June will be designated British Turnip Day and the whole country will celebrate all things turnipy.

Scotland can take its independence and its neeps, but they'll never take ... our turnips.

Ta1king I mentioned 3 items we could set at zero tariffs, you extrapolated to all items.
There are many economic arguments that unilateral free trade (which I am no suggesting) is beneficial to a country.
You obviously have no idea how it works.

Carol, I have seen some of the economic arguments for setting zero tariffs, but they seem to avoid discussion of non-tariff barriers? Would allowing completely tariff-free access to goods result in cheaper but unregulated food? I take the oft-cited "chlorinated chicken" as an example. We could get our chicken cheaply from the USA, but it would not be subject to current regulations. Not to mention the environmental costs of transporting goods such a distance.

carol
You seem to think that setting zero import tariffs on individual items (in breach of WTO protocols) will make them "cheaper" after a hard Brexit.

Wine
Cereal
Chocolate

Please explain how
And why the UK govt wouls want to drop import duty on wine (it makes a pretty penny on all the non EU wine we drink after all)

WTO tariff on wine is 32%. I might buy some shares in English wine producers on that basis.

Hand-picked English turnips accompanied by English wine.

It's sounds very Baldrick.

Well, we have entered the realms of farce.

I used to work in import export
working with tariffs is a logistical nightmare
and folks like carol clearly are not used to importing stuff themselves so do not realise what the cost to the UK economy will be.

Free trade involves both sides offering something.
India, Australia, New Zealand, China, the far east
all want to sell their goods here tariff free
and they want lots of extra visas for their citizens

I think we can offer 0% on individual items as long as we offer to all nations. WTO rules do not insist on one fixed import duty rate for all goods.
Free trade does not mean offering something - the EU has no tariffs on computers from the US (or anywhere else) with no free trade agreement - it just has free trade.
You really are showing yur lack of understanding on this subject.

buy WHY would the government hand away all of that income
and try to destroy indigenous industry?

You really think that the Government would give up the chance to tax all imports of
wine
cereal
chocolate
really ?

the EU has no tariffs on computers from the US
yeah, nor does the US or most other countries

THE thing with tariffs is that its not just the rate its the time and delays

demurrage at Dover docks used to be a nice little earner for Kent

Turkey is a member of the customs union and has a huge issue with crossing borders.
Canada and the US have 10,000 trucks a day crossing despite no customs union.
The Nordic passport union allows EU, non-EU and EEA members to pass between countries with no documentation.
EU rules are not set in stone and customs issues are small considering all transport across the channel is checked for illegal migrants. Custom checks will add no more time.

Most EU duty is retained by the EU, only a small amount (25%) goes to the recipient country. So the UK could cut, for example wine import duties by 75% of the EU level and get the same income - cheaper wine, same tax take. Easy really.

I spend approx 25% more each week than I did before Christmas.

I have noticed this and I can't afford it. There are millions of people like me. I see no rosy future ahead. Short term pain for a better future bullshit. Long term pain for an uncertain future with Boris at the helm with other right wing lunatics more like. It's a nightmare.

most EU duty is retained by the EU
Really?
So when goods are imported into the UK from China and HMRC collect the import duty and VAT
The importer also writes a cheque to the EU?
really?
What is the EU's bank account?

As I've imported stuff from all over the world for years and never paid any of the import duty to the EU

carol
Do, please, provide a link to how and where the EU steals the UK's import duty ......

carol
Just to remind you, the USA and Canada most certainly are in a Customs Union
Its called NAFTA

Ta1kin

You really are showing your ignorance on this:

This from the EU itself says that the importing country pays a large proportion (75%) of import duty to the EU, retaining 25%.

NAFTA is a free trade area, not a customs union. A customs union requires common external customs rules and prevents countries having other trade deals.
If NAFTA had no border controls, then EU companies could by-pass US duties by importing into Canada under the new free trade deal and then moving the goods into the US. Canadian companies therefore have to complete customs forms, including country of origin information. Despite this, they managed to trade nearly $600 billion of goods every year, about the same as between the UK and EU.
A deal similar to NAFTA or CETA with the EU would be a good result from Brexit.

A deal similar to NAFTA or CETA with the EU would be a good result from Brexit.
Have you seen the queue of trucks trying to cross between Seattle and Vancouver ?
I turned back at the 5 hour wait marker

EU Tariff data - its not directly transferred, its rolled into the main contribution and the collectors take varies
www.ifs.org.uk/tools_and_resources/budget-european-union
but as that is part of the mythical £350 million a week
I'll believe the UK "saving it" when I see it.

Given 4 times as many vehicles cross at Vancouver than Dover, with a wait time of around 4 hours. It is about an hour, whch is less than current wait times for the ferry.
I'll accept your apologies for your errors.
Given you do not know what you thought you knew about your area of expertise, maybe you will be humble enough to accept you do not know the future.

Speaking of cereal the Weetabix Organic which is the one i normally have and prefer has completely disappeared from the shelves in my town a few weeks ago, as in i cant buy it here AT ALL and neither Tesco Sainsburys or Weetabix themselves will give me an answer as to why.