Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

AIBU to be shocked and disgusted at this new development

38 replies

BLM2017 · 02/03/2017 22:22

I saw a news clip today from the BBC reporting that police are going to stop arresting 'low level' child sex offenders as they state they are overwhelmed by the numbers and don't have the man power basically. Shocked and worried about this and wondering what others think? Will try and post the clip

OP posts:
carabos · 03/03/2017 06:43

well we did vote the Tories in...what did people expect?

And continue to vote them in - Copeland anyone? If the Tories can win there, they can win pretty much anywhere. Despite years of the electorate moaning about austerity, people still want more.

DameDeDoubtance · 03/03/2017 07:21

Yep, Stop Voting For Them, please. Schools, the NHS and the Police are crumbling. People have died as a direct result of austerity cuts, yet the rich continue to accrue more wealth. We have not addressed the issues from the last financial crash and a lot of the people responsible are still in positions of power.

ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 10:58

Notice that judges are getting a pay rise because 1. A lot of lawyers are refusing to do it when asked due to concerns about pay/conditions 2. 2% of judiciary think ministers respect the judiciary and 3. The volume of sexual offences cases is too gruelling.

Here's the story from the Scottish Legal News Bulletin from yesterday (would have linked to it but can't find it on the site)

^Judges are to be given a pay rise to stem the flow of what Lord Neuberger has called “refuseniks”, senior lawyers refusing to join the bench over misgivings about pay and working conditions.

The Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, said yesterday that she ordered a review of judicial pay by the Senior Salaries Review Body (SSRB), saying the situation was “very serious”.

Only two per cent of the judiciary feel valued by ministers, a recent survey showed.

Ms Truss told the Lords Constitution Committee that “Some judges feel overwhelmed with the amount of work they had” and were finding the large number of sexual offence cases difficult to cope with.

The SSRB review will look at judges’ salaries across the UK a spokesperson for the Judicial Office for Scotland confirmed to SLN, saying: “The Review Body on Senior Salaries will carry out a review of the salary structure for the judiciary across the United Kingdom with the aim of submitting its advice to the Lord Chancellor by June 2018.”^

And that's with the current volume of sexual offence cases- imagine if all the rapes/assaults/abuse that goes unprosecuted was prosecuted, and all the incidents that go unreported where reported. It'd crumble.

I did read a while back that a lot of the officers involved in Yewtree ended up on sick leave/in counselling for PTSD as a result of the images they saw. To the extent that the number of therapists tarained to deal with police officers on that kind of thing was totally overwhelmed.

Also read, in the States, that there is some kind of programme for army/marine veterans who have lost limbs in recent conflicts, to retrain as online law enforcers. The US army has done a lot of research into PTSD recently, mostly about treatment, but also about assessing whether someone is more or less likely to develop it and in what circumstances (some people are more susceptible to PTSD from terror than physical injury) etc.

So they train former soldiers who have a) lost limbs and b) show higher resilience to psychological trauma and train them to investigate paedophiles online. One of the participants was interviewed (they've thought of some clever acronym for the programme like HEROES or STARS or similar). He said it was really gruelling work, but also really satisfying- when he lost his limbs and his ability to be a soldier he felt like he lost the ability to be a man, because to him the essence of being a man was the ability to protect those in your community more vulnerable than you. So working in online law enforcement catching paedophiles had been a huge part of his recovery from,losing his legs (and sight in one eye I think) in a suicide bomb attack. He still felt useful, like a man, like he was able to step up and protect people.

Anyway, I think there is probably something worth researching, about how people in law enforcement are able to cope with sexual offence cases, especially those related to children. If we understand that better, we might be Ina position to really see reporting/prosecution rates rise. I think people genuinely being unable to cope with that kind of subject on a daily basis is a big part (not the only part, but a big part) why we are so bad at dealing with it as society.

Megatherium · 03/03/2017 23:39

What a perfect example of how cuts can be total false economies! Another of the main reasons why lawyers don't want to be judges is that the job has become particularly hellish since legal aid was cut down - they have to spend so much time with litigants in person essentially doing the job that solicitors and barristers normally do in terms of sorting out what the issues are, what are the relevant documents and witnesses, and what the legal authorities are. Also many more rubbish cases get to court because people aren't seeing lawyers who filter them out or persuade them to settle. So, what with the amount of court time that gets wasted and the fact they now have to pay judges more, the government is paying out considerably more than it saved by reducing legal aid.

Which, of course, is precisely what they were told would happen, but they refused to listen.

Twogoats · 03/03/2017 23:41

The people upstairs don't give a flying fuck about child abuse anyway.

Boomcack · 03/03/2017 23:47

These new developments worry me, as at the moment child sexual offenders/ predators already get very lenient sentences. Now police are say that there are so many of them that they just won't bother. Yet they seem to have resources for petty crime. I was just watching a documentary about widespread sexualisation of children and child abuse in Japan by Stacey Dooley, apparently until 2014 it was legal to possess child porn in Japan have a look on iplayer. I don't want to live I. A society where the needs of the perpetrator are placed before the safety of a child.

Boomcack · 03/03/2017 23:51

I fear that a few years from now they will legalise and normalise this abuse. Malcolm X said: If you are not careful the papers will have you hating the oppressed and loving the oppressor. He was talking about racism. However the way things are going and the leniency posed towards offenders, including teachers who having relationships with children, child abusers, response towards abuse victims we are in the shit

Boomcack · 03/03/2017 23:52

Twogoats I agree with you

AlmaMartyr · 03/03/2017 23:57

Constant cuts to public services by the Conservatives are going to have this effect, amongst others. But they still get voted in Confused Angry.

Postagestamppat · 04/03/2017 00:02

The tories are in power and for some reason it is impossible to shift them. Their ideology is to cut public services and create a selfish me and my family first culture. And as pointed out above many of the cuts are false economies. For some reason people vote for them thinking that it will make them better off. But it is only those that make the most money that benefit, if at all as all of society suffers when there is no strong foundation - no matter how high your walls are. This is just another sad example of the erosion of society. Look at the cuts to prisons as well. Shocking. I wish I hadn't read this. It makes me so angry and depressed.

Aandy · 24/09/2017 19:13

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

PlayOnWurtz · 24/09/2017 19:17

We are getting the public services that the people who shouted for lower taxes asked for

Getout21 · 24/09/2017 19:23

This is so disturbing & as some other posters have said I do feel there seems to be a lot of downplaying in the media. E.g the 14 yr old consented or sent sexy photos so therefore it's ok.

Whilst the Tories have been tragic for public services I don't think that's the only reason.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is closed and is no longer accepting replies. Click here to start a new thread.

Swipe left for the next trending thread