Adding MSG to homecooking AIBU?

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I've just had a row with DP over fucking MSG.
On the rare occasion that he cooks he has been adding MSG to our food despite me asking him not too.
His parents are Caribbean and he claims they use it in everything (I did not know this) and he does when he makes Caribbean food also. And spaghetti bolognese. Wtf.
I found an open packet of it a few months ago in the back of the cupboard and was dumbfounded and asked him if he knew where it had come from. Hesaid it was his blah blah, we had a long discussion about it and I threw it out. Today I've found a new, just opened packet.
AIBU to be really pissed off? I don't want the children eating that. I'm also breastfeeding - I assume it passes through milk?
He's also adamant on giving baby's juice. The arguments we've had over that. His view is that he is a parent too, why can I dictate what they can't have and he have no say at all? My argument is because it's BAD! Why would you want to give them it!

""No, they must not. It's not the MSG.""

I agree that the research says that it generally isn't harmful.

However some people do react badly to it, as people can react to anything.

My ex MIL did, it was identified by tests. She had to avoid the foods containing it, or be prepared for the heartburn/burning etc.

""Fake, weird, shit.""

No it isn't, it naturally occurs in Tomatoes, Cheese etc and is a natural product in its own right.

Yes,as I said, rarely people have a sensitivity. But if that is the case, they don't only have a sensitivity to it in chinese restaurants. You can't have a problem with msg in just one type of food but no others.

I don't believe this whole thing if it being harmless. When back in my husbands home country, where I used to live, I come out in hives if they put MSG in my meal. Fake, weird, shit

The great thing about science is that it is true whether you believe it or not. It is harmless. And in your case your problem is clearly psychosomatic, since you have no problems with MSG in your food in your own country.

I'm saying ADDED, as in when it's tipped in from a white packet. I don't do that to food I cook myself. I'm saying when I go to my husband's home and we eat out all day every day, they chuck it on everything unless you ask for them not to. Science has said lots of things are safe. Thalidomide was scientifically proven as safe, Alcohol is safe, chemotherapy is safe. Paracetamol is safe, but realistically only in small doses. None of it is ideal for regular consumption. That's my view. I also don't eat non-organic meat because I don't want to ingest the 'safe' hormones and antibiotics that the animals are pumped with.

It's ADDED to plenty of things in the UK as well, plus the stuff you add is essentially exactly the same as the naturally occurring.

Thalidomide was never proved to be safe, neither was alcohol, or chemotherapy (which isn't meant to be safe, its intent is to destroy).

You are entitled to your own view, however you are not entitled to your own facts, and your grasp of the facts here is shaky at best. You are, I'm afraid, wrong.

Interestingly, I had to be on the monitor for a few hours when pregnant as baby went extremely hyperactive after I ate a very msg-heavy meal. Heart rate was 185 and wouldn't come down and they asked if I'd eaten lots of msg. Odd!

Not very odd , coincidence is far more likely than causal effect. How do you even know the meal was msg-heavy?

How odd is the child?

I wouldn't want it added to the food of a 6-12m old tbh. A little bit every now and then is fine I'm sure but if they get used to food with it added it might start to affect what they eat. I think babies and young toddlers should have fairly basic foods a lot of the time so they can explore a range of tastes. That's just personal opinion though.

As they get older it matters less...and they get incredibly fussy so you find yourself adding pretty much anything that makes it more palatable to get the food down them!!

Doubt it passes through breast milk as a direct result of consuming it (not talking about the natural baseline of it occurring in breastmilk), I can't imagine it ends up circulating in your blood in significant quantities. Breast milk is made from your blood and fat reserves, not your stomach contents.

Juice will give you fat babies with wrecked teeth, so he may want to open his mind to the science of that.

Msg on the telly last night, is this connected?

MSG is lovely!

I once witnessed a woman having a hissy fit about a gravy in the restaurant that may have contained msg. She had a test in a health shop which told her she was allergic to msg and! gluten.
Unless you have a proper test done, not those in health shops where they give you a shitload of stuff you are supposedly allergic to so you buy their nice and expensive alternatives, you can eat whatever you want as long as it doesn't make you ill.
We are not letting our children build up natural immunity to bacteria, viruses and food ingredients and then we are wondering why they are allergic or sensitive to just about every shit under the sun. Sometimes I want to scream when I hear breastfeeding mothers talk about their restricted diets for fear of poisoning their babies.

Why not say to him "ok we will compromise. I will not moan about msg anymore if you can agree not to give baby juice. "
That way you don't have to eat humble pie and you sound reasonable and accepting.

boyinnewcork nope, not a coincidence, it happened again and now I get palpitions (not the odd one, I mean a couple a minute) after Chinese takeaways etc. I knew it was msg heavy as I saw how it was made :) Some people just do not tolerate it well

I don't think you understand the point. MSG is not limited to chinese takeaways,at all. If you were sensitive to MSG you would be ill after lots of other foods as well.
Chinese Restaurant Syndrome, which is what you think you have, does not exist. I am not denying that you feel something after eating that food, but that does not mean that you have a sensitivity that it is not possible for you to have.

(and how come you are always in the kitchen when you get chinese takeaways?)

boyinnewcork I DO get the point. I get a racing heart with palpitations after eating other products with msg added, if I eat enough of them. Some crisps are awful for this. Seen as you are asking, my friend works in a chippy and gets me free Chinese, which is how I know about the msg.
What are you anyway, an msg dealer?

Just a scientist.

So you think you are sensitivity to an ingredient but happily eat it anyway, but you're only sensitive when you know its there. Ok, whatever you want to tell yourself.

sensitive

How do you KNOW I'm only sensitive when I know it's there? You have no idea about my diet or health. MSG is not good for you

1 of my sons is sensitive to it,got really bad causing severe headaches and we have to be careful with what we buy,has lessened last few years but he still cant go into a certain all you can eat chinese we have in town as they really do go over board with it

I know because you are showing clear bias. MSG is NOT not good for you.
It's completely harmless for the vast majority.
We know that almost all people who think they are sensitive to it are not. Cos science. Which is not affected by your opinion.

And as shown, 'science' changes all the time. Only a few years ago, scientists were so confident that it caused cancer to make it a published fact. As I stated earlier, it was printed in my school text book. Who's to say new science discoveries won't alter the current view...or perhaps the massive msg industry has provided the costs for flawed current research? There seems too many people sensitive to it for it to harmless.

added it to salt fish fritters today
Don't tell DP!

And as shown, 'science' changes all the time. Only a few years ago, scientists were so confident that it caused cancer to make it a published fact

Head/desk.
No, science does not change all the time. No reputable studies ever claimed it caused cancer, or any harmful effects. Media reports are not science, anecdotes from people convinced they have something that doesn't exist is not science.
MYTH is not science, even when it is a very widely held myth.

There seems too many people sensitive to it for it to harmless

What science has proven is that people, like you, who believe they are sensitive to it actually are not.

Science is not opinion.

Why don't you 'compromise' with DP now you know the truth about MSG. He can carry on using it in food and you can carry on not giving your DC juice.