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Deported grandmother : what is the government trying to prove

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alwaysprepare · 27/02/2017 11:31

There is a story of a woman originally from Singapore who lives here and has been married to a Brit for 27 years, they have 2 kids and a grandchild.
Her parents had been ill and she has spent the last few years going home to take care of them. They have now passed away. She had indefinite leave to remain which has been revoked and was apparently taken on a Sunday by authorities and sent to a detention centre before being put on a flight with £12 and the clothes on her back. Her husband is poorly after a heart bypass, I think it was.

You are not allowed to leave the country for a certain amount of time on the visa she has, but she probably needed to take care of ailing parents. Also Singapore does not Allow dual citizenship which maybe why she did not apply for UK passport as that probably would have been tricky for her parent emergencies etc.

We are no better than Trump.

Sorry cannot paste it right now, but it's on Google.

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HoldMeCloserTonyDanza · 27/02/2017 15:13

I wonder if some of this conversation is being hampered by the ever-widening social divides in Britain. Not just the financial divides - although as the Oxford University think tank linked above mentioned, most Londoners earn this salary comfortably. But also the immigration and racial divides that get so much discussion with regard to Brexit etc - there are parts of the country which are tremendously homogenous, where very few people move in to.

I live in a city where over a third of the population was not born in England. At DD's nursery, at least 75% of the children have at least one non-British parent (all of these families, most of whom are academics or science park workers, earn multiples of the £18k barrier too). Everybody I know has fallen in love with a person without regard to whether they were born in Wolverhampton or Toyko or Warsaw or Tehran.

I am so upset and frightened by these "rules" because I have quite literally half a dozen friends who are directly affected by them. And if, despite assurances, Brexit screws those of us who are already here over, my family will be among them.

WrongTrouser · 27/02/2017 15:22

If ignorant Little Englanders

Who are they, then?

RedMetamorphosis · 27/02/2017 15:30

itsawonderfulworld not quite true, if they have a significant amount of savings (£62500) then they can bypass the £18600 salary requirement.

That's how we are doing it, just to speed things up.

Still, I agree with your point.

BeALert · 27/02/2017 15:38

itsawonderfulworld not quite true, if they have a significant amount of savings (£62500) then they can bypass the £18600 salary requirement.

I didn't know this. Can you use the value of your house compared to the value of the mortgage held on it? This is how we showed we had the savings to move to the US.

SanityAssassin · 27/02/2017 15:41

Unfortunately in this World most people can't chose to just live where they please - if we could how many of you would still be un the UK?

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 27/02/2017 15:45

Most of my friends are immigrants at the moment, due to me not being considered very local in the area of the uk that I live. My best friend is polish.

Most of my friends pay attention to laws and rules which effect them.

Some are worried about the impact of brexit, but quite a few understand why.people voted that way. I do not necessarily think all of the people who might be effected would wish to enforce the little englander tag on people who voted leave.

I suspect that they would also not like to be considered in the same category with people who do not follow rules.

I feel very sorry for this woman, but she broke the terms of her visa. I would expect the same treatment in another country.

Kasia said she hopes leaving the EU will make britain better and is aiming to try and stay. She does not believe that she will be sent back and reckons tm will guarantee her to stay if British people are guaranteed the same abroad. I reckon that she is probably right.

This does not mean she isn't worried about it though and I hope nations within Europe wI'll come to an agreement on this quickly. It is unsettling for families otherwise.

RedMetamorphosis · 27/02/2017 15:52

I'm really not sure Be, we have it in cash savings so didn't have to ask any further.

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 27/02/2017 15:53

Plus do you not think the little englander tag is a bit crap. I know lots of little scotlanders. Raise your hand if you are a little welsher or a little northern irish er!
It is a silly tag in my opinion.

titchy · 27/02/2017 16:01

It's a shame this case is in the headlines. There are far far far more deserving cases where families are split up through no fault of their own. But this case will probably stick in people's minds when they think about foreign spouses trying to live together as a family.

RedMetamorphosis · 27/02/2017 16:34

Agree titchy, especially now that it is coming out that she didn't want to let go of her SG passport to take up British because she would have to forgo her right to a government flat, which is worth hundreds of thousands of pounds.

scottishdiem · 27/02/2017 16:40

"If ignorant Little Englanders
Who are they, then?"

Can probably start with the Tory complaining that his local Tesco has polish food in it and is complaining the community werent consulted.

if we could how many of you would still be un the UK?

DP and I would be. But DP is black Zimbabwean so HO is terribly vexed at my choice of spouse and wrote that I should go stay there if I really wanted to stay married to a black foreigner. We chose to stay together so did leave but now live in Dublin - seems a nicer place than Harare to be honest.

WrongTrouser · 27/02/2017 16:52

"If ignorant Little Englanders
Who are they, then?"

Can probably start with the Tory complaining that his local Tesco has polish food in it and is complaining the community werent consulted

Why use a phrase which sounds like it's aimed at the English then? Why not point out racism where it's seen without just resorting to insulting English people?

kali110 · 27/02/2017 16:56

Im actually really confused why she stayed in singapore so long.
All articles state both parents died in 1998, so why not just come back?

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 27/02/2017 16:56

Scottish diem?

THAT IS TERRIBLE!!! was that what the HO said?

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 27/02/2017 17:00

Did they say you shouldn' be married to a black person?

WTAF!!! That would be heinously racist and would taint my view of the home office very badly.

scottishdiem · 27/02/2017 17:02

Because it was a Tory in the Cotswolds. And England & Wales did vote leave. Little Englander isnt about all English people. It is only a subsection but a vocal one with clear Views on how things so be, including how things should not change unless its what the good english people of england want.

YERersel

No specifically about DPs colour but white Zimbabweans have not had the same problems we have had. Admittedly they were more at risk but then that makes it avery odd thing to decide that I should go there to live. Which they very clearly said.

scottishdiem · 27/02/2017 17:03

Several white Zimbabwean friends have been allowed to stay with their spouses and families here. Two black ones have not. All other details (income, education, risk factors, family life) the same.

Skooba · 27/02/2017 17:04

We voted for a change in the law to reduce immigration and this is the result - suck it up folks.

There are people daily trying to wheedle their way into the uk so we need these strict laws.

CosyNook · 27/02/2017 17:04

What sort of mother leaves her children?

I would hope she didn't marry her English husband and have abandonchildren for convenience.

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 27/02/2017 17:05

English and tory are often used interchangeably outside of england

Skooba · 27/02/2017 17:05

Several white Zimbabwean friends
Perhaps they gave british Grand parents or something.

OddBoots · 27/02/2017 17:06

I don't understand why counties not accepting dual citizenship is just accepted as fine and dandy, are there any campaigns to try to change that? It seems to be a significant feature of problems for many international couples.

TheElementsSong · 27/02/2017 17:11

We voted for a change in the law to reduce immigration and this is the result - suck it up folks.

Charming.

I would hope she didn't marry her English husband and have abandonchildren for convenience.

Also charming.

Hey Wrong, how d'ya feel about the tone here towards foreign-born people?

scottishdiem · 27/02/2017 17:12

"We voted for a change in the law to reduce immigration and this is the result - suck it up folks."

And given demographic pressures it would actually be very odd to do that. What are you going to do when immigration doesnt fall?

YERerseISootTHEwindy · 27/02/2017 17:15

Ok scottish diem.

"Little Englander"

It would be quite offensive to scottish people who wanted to leave and to the Welsh and northern irish who voted to leave wouldn't it? They are surely not "English" because they voted brexit?