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Deported grandmother : what is the government trying to prove

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alwaysprepare · 27/02/2017 11:31

There is a story of a woman originally from Singapore who lives here and has been married to a Brit for 27 years, they have 2 kids and a grandchild.
Her parents had been ill and she has spent the last few years going home to take care of them. They have now passed away. She had indefinite leave to remain which has been revoked and was apparently taken on a Sunday by authorities and sent to a detention centre before being put on a flight with £12 and the clothes on her back. Her husband is poorly after a heart bypass, I think it was.

You are not allowed to leave the country for a certain amount of time on the visa she has, but she probably needed to take care of ailing parents. Also Singapore does not Allow dual citizenship which maybe why she did not apply for UK passport as that probably would have been tricky for her parent emergencies etc.

We are no better than Trump.

Sorry cannot paste it right now, but it's on Google.

OP posts:
TheElementsSong · 27/02/2017 13:59

You don't need give up you have dual citizenship

Some. Countries. Do. Not. Allow. Dual. Citizenship.

Carollocking · 27/02/2017 14:01

We do,Singapore does also

2014newme · 27/02/2017 14:01

The issue s that she was out of the country for more than two years
Not that she was caring for sick family.
Nobody is doubting her marriage.
She had leave to remain and could have happily stayed here forever with her husband but ws gone for so many years she voided her visa. If she hadn't been relying on the visa because she sorted citizenship or permanent leave to remain then it wouldn't be an issue.
It will all be sorted it's an administration issue is all

TheElementsSong · 27/02/2017 14:01

I hate the way they are using the term Grandmother to elicit more sympathy for her. I've seen her photo

Yes! She's not a grandmother because of her photo! How dare they invent a fictitious grandchild!

Carollocking · 27/02/2017 14:01

And more to the point the other country would never know anyway

DickToPhone · 27/02/2017 14:02

The gofundme is IMO fraudulent.

"For 30 years, my sister-in-law Irene has lived in Britain after arriving here from Singapore."

Total lie!

She lived in Britain from 1988 to 1992, and then from 2003 to 2005, then from 2013 to 2017.

That's ten years out of thirty.

Further, for all intents and purposes, she separated from her husband in 1998. That's two decades ago!

SHE made the decision (if that really is the reason) that it was more important to stay in Singapore and look after her parents than care for her children in Britain. She could easily have found carers in Singapore - it's much cheaper to do that there than the UK.

I'm honestly curious about the basis on which she entered the UK in 2003 and 2013.

When I got married, we applied (in 2002) for a visitor visa to the UK and it was declined on the basis that as husband and wife, we intended to live together and therefore we did not require a 'visit', but rather 'settlement', and we had to apply for that.

So it seems to me that she must have claimed in 2003 and 2013 that she was 'visiting her children', because if she had said she was coming because of marriage, then she would have acquired the right to remain.

So by remaining here she is in clear breach of her visa requirements and would have known that the minute she first arrived.

The idea that a family is being torn apart is nonsense - she is entitled to live in Singapore and visit her family (who must now be adults) in the UK, but the operational word is VISIT. The right to live with her husband sailed, pretty much when her husband left her in 1998 to go and live in the UK with the kids.

And I don't like the 'grandmother' description, she is 53 and applying to be with her husband, the fact she is a grandmother is irrelevant. My children have a 'grandmother' in a foreign country who could never settle here - we go and visit her. There's no problem with this.

TheElementsSong · 27/02/2017 14:02

We do,Singapore does also

HmmHmm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singaporean_nationality_law#Dual_citizenship

The position of the Singapore Government is that dual citizenship is not allowed

Carollocking · 27/02/2017 14:02

On a resident permit it's only 12 weeks in 2 years to visit your original country it's not complicated

notangelinajolie · 27/02/2017 14:03

The fact that she is a granny makes no difference. If she wanted to be a British Citizen she had 27 years to apply. Rules are rules. I'm more concerned that it took the Home Office this long to find her out.

Carollocking · 27/02/2017 14:04

One I dealt with was below 22 so I didn't know that truthfully

Carollocking · 27/02/2017 14:05

However not like she's not had lots time to become British or live elsewhere instead

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza · 27/02/2017 14:05

It's particularly outrageous because for decades now, we have rightfully been raised to view falling in love and getting married as something that is every person's human right. Opposing your child's marriage because the person they love is a different race, or from a different cultural background (or the same sex) is finally seen as the prejudiced and abusive behaviour it always was.

And yet as a piece of political theatre, to attempt to "reduce" immigration numbers, May has first as Home Sec and now as PM decided to destroy the family lives of poor people so that she has a figure to point to.

Family life is a human right. Every British person should be free to marry and live with the person they love.

This could be the story of ANY person posting here. I didn't fall in love with my husband's passport or the colour of his skin. I fell in love with him.

Carollocking · 27/02/2017 14:07

No one says you can't just make sure do things correctly I guess

TheElementsSong · 27/02/2017 14:09

It is SHAMEFUL that every British citizen cannot live with their spouse. It's insane. This country is trampling on the rights of its own citizens first and foremost.

Every British person should be free to marry and live with the person they love.

YY HoldMe, all these posters saying screw her, it's the Rules, stupid foreign woman who didn't follow correct procedure, fake "grandmother", Britain and British People First...

Unless you're a British person who has fallen in love with somebody foreign. Then you're reduced to the same lowly level as the foreigner. There's a whiff of, well, something.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza · 27/02/2017 14:10

But Theresa May's version of "doing things correctly" means not being disabled. It means earning above the full time minimum wage, earning more than the median wage for women, not being a stay at home parent.

There's nothing "correct" about that. If a British woman works part time or takes a career break to look after her children, or is retired or cannot work for health reasons, she should still be free to live with the person she loves. And the Home Office says she can't. That's wrong.

Carollocking · 27/02/2017 14:12

Problem is we have an unelected prime minister that has a mission in her mind and she knows for sure no way she's gonna get another chance

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza · 27/02/2017 14:13

This could happen to anybody here. This could happen to your children. If people want to huff and puff about "foreigners", fine, go ahead. But there is a British man and two British adult children and one little British grandchild who cannot see their wife, mother, and grandmother, because of these stupid, wicked rules. And it could be your child they screw over next. The Home Office is denying a family life to BRITISH PEOPLE.

Carollocking · 27/02/2017 14:15

I'm sure she can apply as all can for another visa

DickToPhone · 27/02/2017 14:15

"It is SHAMEFUL that every British citizen cannot live with their spouse. It's insane. This country is trampling on the rights of its own citizens first and foremost."

Rubbish, other countries have the same rules.

Here are the Netherlands' rules

ind.nl/en/Pages/income.aspx

The US

www.immihelp.com/affidavit-of-support/i-864-income-requirements.html

Australia

guides.dss.gov.au/guide-social-security-law/9/4/3/60

It's quite obviously NOT the case that there is a general presumption that you can bring your spouse from a foreign country to your country of Western nationality without satisfying financial requirements - quite the opposite.

DickToPhone · 27/02/2017 14:16

"But Theresa May's version of "doing things correctly" means not being disabled. "

It's got nothing to do with bloody Theresa May! We had to deal with these rules 15 years ago, and they've been in place since 1971.

GraceGrape · 27/02/2017 14:16

Totally shameful. The threads on anyone not of UK nationality on MN atm are disgusting. A total lack of empathy for anyone. If this was a UK citizen abroad you can be certain that it would be the other country seen as being in the wrong. Sadly I have come to the conclusion that this type of viewpoint is becoming increasingly prevalent in our inward -looking country.

HeadDreamer · 27/02/2017 14:16

Try just staying in Australia and NZ. You will be thrown out pronto.

What ridiculous comparison. I'm from NZ and we allow people to bring in elderly parents and also spouses. We don't have ridiculous rules about earning enough money before you have the right to live with your legally married wife.

www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/tools-and-information/general-information/partnership

Nothing about money. In this case, the poor man doesn't work £18k so he can't have his wife of 27 years with him.

TinfoilHattie · 27/02/2017 14:17

Looks like she was in Singapore from Jan 2005 to 2013

That's more than a quick trip home - it's EIGHT YEARS!!

This could happen to anybody here. This could happen to your children.

Only people stupid enough not to read the conditions of their residency or visa, or arrogant enough to think the rules don't apply to them.

BeALert · 27/02/2017 14:17

No one says you can't just make sure do things correctly I guess

In what way should this woman 'do things correctly'?

The only way her husband can sponsor her to live in the UK with him is if he earns over £18k.

How do you suggest he does that?

HeadDreamer · 27/02/2017 14:18

Parents do need to earn, but spouses don't. Just to clarify it.