To think this in my CO-OP is wrong???

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They've started selling sausage rolls in the bakery, and they are on the shelf with all the bread and cakes. I called over a member of staff and said politely, "I think there's been a mistake, there's meat in these rolls... they need to be in the fridge". She got shirty and insisted they didn't need to be refridgerated as they were cooked! So cooked meat, all day, warm shelf in shop!

Gross!

I just couldn't get it through

Not baby food in hats. That would be ridiculous.
I mean jars

They are best kept like this. Refrigerated sausage rolls are rank

Go to 34.i on this link for the governments guidelines - the Coop are completely fine keeping sausage rolls in ambient conditions.

www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/multimedia/pdfs/tempcontrolguiduk.pdf

In the future it might actually be worth knowing what you're talking about before you try to lecture staff on food safety.

Aibu- the quote I said above is lecturing and berating... she looked less mollycoddled than posters here and not distressed.

Just read it- I am wrong! I'm quite surprised... but not much of a sausage roll fan so guess I never knew! I just thought cooked meat logically either meant either fridge or a shortish time.

Still think it's rank personally and wouldn't touch

I used to think all food had to be immediately refrigerated, but my husband pointed out that there was a time before refrigerators! In his home country there were regular power cuts so they often had to cook meat dishes and then leave them in the coolest part of the house (like the pantry) or even outside if it was in winter. They would reckon on a good day or two if it wasn't too warm, and reheat meat that had been sitting there a while to be on the safe side, also relying on their judgement if it was a hot day/meat looked off in any way. Curing meats is the obvious other way to preserve it.

I worked in Greggs many moons ago when I was a teenager. The individual sausage rolls were behind the counter under the heat lamp, but we also packs of them which were cooked at 7 in the morning, bagged and put on top of the counter (so not heated) until we closed. No one ever complained of food poisoning and last time I went in Greggs they still sold them like that.

So yes, ywbu.

Foureyes, funnily enough at home we are quite liberal. I guess I know how I cooked etc and how we store she I trust it. I imagined shop standards to be far higher than mine

It's not the ambient sausage rolls that are the issue, it's the smelly bloke who picks up all the bread rolls and sniffs them by putting his nose on them and then puts them back and puts them back in the basket that's the issue in our Co Op.

Morrisons do this as well. I know they have their "under hot lamp" temp control section but definitely have bags of sausage rolls on normal shelves at times as well. Done it for years. Like the OP I wouldn't buy them.

... and the kids that ask for cakes by waving the round? They licking?

I didn't realise people put sausage rolls in the fridge tbh. Whether baked or bought mine stay out, they are awful when put in the fridge. I feel like an alien sometimes on mn, so many people are so paranoid about food but it just does not register with me, a family of 6 here and we have never had food poisoning.

I really want a greggs sausage roll now.

www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/multimedia/pdfs/tempcontrolguiduk.pdf - perfectly legal apparently

Food, which, for the duration of its shelf life, may be kept at ambient temperatures with no risk to health.

The inherent properties of the product or the way in which it has been treated or packed may be important in securing the stability of the product. Examples include certain pickles or jams, which may be safely kept at ambient temperatures, provided that their packaging remains intact and they are within their shelf life. Some cured or smoked products, such as air-dried, cured hams with low water activity, may be safely kept at ambient temperatures under defined conditions and within their shelf life.

Other foods are normally sold to consumers with a short shelf life, as the quality of the product is not acceptable at a later stage. This would include certain bakery products and sandwiches (although not those containing cooked products described in paragraph 9b), which are sold within a short period of being produced or prepared. Bakery products would include, for example; uncut baked egg and milk pastry products, e.g. custard tarts; or cooked pies and pasties that are completely encased in pastry to which nothing has been added after baking.

Under these circumstances, all of these products can be safely sold to consumers without any need for chill holding, even though they are not ambient shelf stable. Other examples might include certain types of cake and products that have already undergone a treatment, such as pasteurised milk (including both shop bought and doorstep deliveries

I find it bizarre on MN that so many people are so wedded to their crazy rules relating to 'hygiene' of food prep and storage but often no real idea of actual risks, what BB dates mean, or food science. It's sad there's so much food paranoia and wastage

Extrapolating wildly there.

Not buying a shop bought sausage roll doesn't equal detolling the fruit or washing chicken. Or not sniffing food to see if it's ok.

But then one couldn't be professionally outraged without crazy rules on reading comprehension could you? I think those not reading full threads or reading their own version are more likely if anything not to read and understand basics like best before dates..

My co op have done this for years

www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/14817-ambient-sausage-rolls/

I'm quite interested in the science (partly as sausage rolls were outside the encased in pastry rule but still exempted). Older laws said 4 hours this thread seems.

What we do in our homes is often away from the commercial rules, I know I've left sausage rolls out for agessss at kids parties for example. Or eaten food that was clearly fine beyond the use by date. I was quite surprised I guess that the usual standards apply that don't allow for consumer fail, e.g. Eating th me rolls ages later. Also, I guess many refrigerate to reduce waste by extending shelf life, so it's less common

I wouldn't buy a sausage roll that wasn't refrigerated but then I prefer to make my own with 97% sausage meat rather than mashed up ears, tails, eyeballs and whatever other delicacies they put in the mixture.

I watched a programme about Greggs once - they said they were making sausage rolls - unlike any sausage roll I've ever made - it was a long line of pastry onto which was extruded a line of grey goo which represented the sausage meat [bleurgh]

I'm pretty sure that sausage rolls contain the type of 'meat' that never decomposes

I think you should let this one go tbh.