February 24th the Gender Identity (Protected Characteristic) Bill 2016-17

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Please share to protect the rights of children and young people: www.transgendertrend.com/gender-identity-rights-of-the-child/

A quote from the above:

The medicalised approach in the Gender Recognition Act 2004 pathologises trans identities and runs contrary to the dignity and personal autonomy of applicants. It should be updated in line with the principles of self-declaration.

Basically if I say I'm a woman, I'm a woman by law.

Having checked I find that she has until the House rises on Thursday.

Thanks Jelly - I agree that's really concerning.

What pisses me off is that it reduces the sexes to gender stereotypes.

People should be able to present how they wish and love who they want without them having to legally define themselves as anything. A man shouldn't have to define himself as a woman just because he likes dresses and make up, he should be accepted as a man who likes dresses and make up.

Gender identity is a belief system based on faith. People have the right to believe what they want and live without discrimination due to those beliefs. They do not have the right to legislate for everyone else to share their beliefs or to remove important legal protections in order to practice those beliefs.
This is akin to legislation forcing everyone to observe the sabbath, or wear hijab, or go to mass and confession every Sunday.

Or have sex with them because they are lesbian too

So sorry. Wrong link. I think there was a UK petition or perhaps it was just a letter writing campaign.

Fuck me, the world has GONE MAD.

I am sure that there are some men out there who like to wear lipstick, high heels and call themselves Sylvia instead of Simon. Or women who like to play rugby, wear comfortable slacks and call everyone mate. They can crack on, wear what you like, call yourself what you like and do what makes you happy in your spare time. Very tolerant in that respect.

However. Someone who is biologically MALE - and that is a fact, not some woolly feeling - is a man. End of. There is no such thing as a "lady penis". Men should not be in a female changing room any more than a woman should be in a men's one.

This is all going far too far and is eroding the rights of women and girls. Very very wrong. I'm Spartacus, btw.

Write to your MP

Despite the squillions of threads about this on MN, it is very clear that most people don't have a clue what's happening with the Trans agenda around the world.

The Bill is on 2nd reading on Thursday 24th February in the House of Commons.

If you don't want born male persons, who most likely have their equipment intact and in full working order, to have legal access to change in female gym locker rooms, communal changing rooms in shops, swimming baths etc, then write to your MP. That includes any of the men on here who don't want their mothers, partners, daughters being forced to change in front of males or forego sport etc.

This Bill is NOT progressive!

It also includes men who don't want women bringing their DS into the men's changing room because "he's too big for the women's side" or the bloke who wanted to bring his daughter and niece in, both eleven or twelve, because "they'll mess about and waste all day if they go alone" - I've had both those!

I lost it with knowing which way the fucks up with gender identity when I read some time ago that Eddie Izzard was apparently transgender for the last 30 years. Thought he was a transvestite, or, back in the day, just a funny hot guy with heels. Fucks sake. So does that make me a bit of a lesbian for the short time I thought he was the bees knees ? That would be perfectly fine.
Penis ? Not a woman. Happy to offend anyone with my temerity of having a different opinion to the righteous frothing liberal norm. I see it as a feminist duty frankly.

This is a private members bill so is unlikely to get passed.

In the vanishingly unlikely event that it does get passed, does it mean that my DH can say he identifies as a woman and go to a "cycling for nervous women" workshop (as he is a nervous cyclist, but not female so doesn't qualify to attend)? I suppose that would be an advantage.

HOWEVER

For the avoidance of doubt, I am in the "if you have a penis you are a man" camp. Men can wear dresses and make-up if they like. But that doesn't make them women. And I have a big problem about "women" who are biologically men, competing in races as women and winning prizes at the expense of women.

fair

Didn't realise that it was a Private Member's Bill. Thanks, I feel a little better

It is a private member's bill but it comes at a time when the govt. have already committed to reviewing the Gender Recognition Act following the W&E committee report. I'm not panicking but I'm making my views known to my MP and keeping an eye on this bill.

Thanks Pencils

I have written to several MPs. Not sure if they will even read if I am outside constituency but hey

A man shouldn't have to define himself as a woman just because he likes dresses and make up, he should be accepted as a man who likes dresses and make up

This. Times a million.

The problem is with narrow constrained versions of masculinity and also homophobia.

Those men who transition to trans in later middle-age? I think many of them are gay men, but are so homophobic that they can't contemplate that they could be a man but attracted to other men. If they're attracted to men, that must mean they're women. Of course.

Not.

The men who transition in later middle-age, very often after fathering children and achieving success in a male dominated industry, are far more often attracted to women, or to the idea of themselves as women. They become 'lesbians' like Jenner and Maloney. Some of them get very upset that actual lesbians don't want to have sex with them.

I have also written to my MP, though I don't hold out much hope for a speedy reply...

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It makes no sense. Why change law so that it is based on something that is made up (gender) rather than biological fact (sex)?

The fact that it is made up doesn't bother me as we have religion as a protected characteristic and that's made up. I support absolutely the right for anyone to dress as they please and call themselves whatever they want.

What bothers me is the trampling of one groups rights at the expense of another. Also I find the apparent head in the sand about single sex spaces really irritating. Like prisons - why do we segregate prisons? It's not so everyone who likes wearing skirts and prefers female pronouns gets to share a building. It's to stop pregnancy and abuse. Obviously obviously needs to be a biological sex distinction.

But gender is made up and affects women negatively by perpetuating stereotypes. It is being placed above biological fact.

Biological fact is the reason that women historically and globally are treated badly, not gender.

I also support people's right to present however they wish.

www.citizengo.org/en-gb/pc/41304-say-not-dangerous-gender-identity-bill?m=5&tcid=32816060

This is a petition I signed.

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You have been very helpful on these threads, so thank you for that. Would you mind changing your nickname to something more recognisable? When people use the numbers nickname, I keep having to trawl back to find out who is who.

For anyone who is using the template to write to their MP - please, please make as many small changes as you can. (like copying your homework off the Internet and altering it so your teacher doesn't realise).

If lots of letters looking exactly the same arrive on the same desk, they tend to get overlooked.

Datun will do once I have a moment, life a bit hectic just now but this is an issue I feel strongly about:

We finally have a UK specific petition regarding the Gender Identity Bill, it sets out very clearly and without hysterics the case for having the Bill amended and placed under deeper scrutiny to protect young children and young adults, please sign and share if you are in agreement: citizengo.org/en-gb/pc/41304-say-not-dangerous-gender-identity-bill?tc=fb&tcid=32808372