To think that we don't need a London Modest Fashion week??

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Given that we're not living in the Victorian era?

Well if Abrahamic is in I can stop colouring my grey hairs.

Joan, can I point you in the direction of my "English word used in an English sentence, in England" post upthread?

Haven't RTFT so apologies if I repeating something but I really hate the term "modest" when we are talking about our bodies.

Modesty is not making a big deal of it when you get 100% in an exam. Wearing clothes that are more or less revealing is nothing to do with "modesty".

I don't know about the wording, but it is coming across a bit like Muslim women your fashion show isn't wanted or ok with us. But maybe I'm misunderstanding.

Monotheistic Abrahamic-origin fashion?

Yes, because that trips off the tongue

"It's a matter of mutual respect. Women are free to dress in either fashion and people are free to exhibit or sell either. There is only a problem when people start implying either preference has any kind of superiority over the other. And the 'modest' description certainly does that." Billy excellently put.

....And the 'modest' description certainly does that.....

What if the people using it don't mean it like that though? Does that make a difference?

Depends on what they do mean Thewinter.

They can't opt out of the meaning. That is what it means. It's a loaded word.

My understanding of fashion was things on cat walks get massively water down then turn up in high streets as latest trends.

Burkini's are an idea I'm looking into.

I'm a white atheist not comfortable baring a lot of skin not least because I burnt very easily even with heavy duty sun screen -similar with children male and female all burn like were part vampire.

The children see their muslin friends ware them at swimming lessons and I see them in shops to buy - they are pretty main stream now.

Maybe modest is the wrong word with unwanted associations and judgements - but the idea seems a good one to me.

I'm grateful there are shops that now cater for the large busted like myself - there are time when I think all their designers must be men because so many design emphasis the area - personally I usually dress in a way to minimise their impact most of the time because I dislike the attention of men I don't know. Maybe this modest fashion week would have ideas to add to more main stream clothing.

A practical sensible clothing for women fashion week I would also consider a good thing - but I don't see what so wrong at promoting an alternative to current fashion week and it may have some good ideas lurking in it.

I just think its wonderful to see more mainstream muslim/etc fashions, its inclusive and forward thinking. I like seeing catwalk models in hijab. I like seeing all of it, and I think dismissing it over one word is a bit silly, tbh.

Muslimah Fashion is an interesting term given that orthodox Jews and more traditional Christians can also follow broadly similar rules.

But the company (Haute Elan) who are holding this event are not targeting orthodox Jewish or Christian people. They are explicitly targeting Muslims according to their own mission statement:

Our Goals

To be the platform of reference for all Modest fashion from around the world, that's emerging and mainstream international luxury designers. To transform the landscape for SME's targeting the $2tn Muslim market through one platform where we aggregate the highest traffic of women from the Islamic World.

So why not call it what it is? A fashion week aimed at Muslim women? For one thing most of the clothes appear to be very unsuitable for Orthodox Jews and the market for Christian modest clothing is so vanishingly small as to be nonexistent in this country.

personally I usually dress in a way to minimise their impact most of the time because I dislike the attention of men I don't know. Maybe this modest fashion week would have ideas to add to more main stream clothing.

I've had big boobs since the age of 12 and had unwanted attention including assault because of them since then even though I never dressed provocatively ( whatever that means eh) . However feck the idea that I should modify my bloody behaviour so men don't have to modify theirs.

I'm a comfort clothing wearing female now and in the delicious middle aged podgy woman phase of sexual invisibility. But it'll be a cold day in hell before I pass the message to my daughters that cat calling wankers are their fault and that men are so weak they are unable to control their behaviour.

I agree Nice, people are basically saying women need to cover up because men aren't responsible for their behaviour.
There's nothing "silly" about it.

Gosh, it would be worth their paying a mumsnetter to correct the various grammatical errors in that statement of goals! May be it is just a bad translation from the Arabic.

LassWiTheDelicateAir I like the dresses you linked to a lot wouldn't dare wearing them as too much of a statement would it sound ridiculous if I said that many of the styles reminds me of Princess Lea's outfits? A mixture of medical and futuristic? I find it quite intriguing. My personal style is more Uniclo, Cos etc but I like that fashion does not have to mean wearing very revealing and outrageous clothing.

However feck the idea that I should modify my bloody behaviour so men don't have to modify theirs.

I agree.

However personally I just get fed up with it - I've had it since age 11 - I 'm not a forthright personality and if I can choose a nice pretty comfortable top that means I don't have to deal with the unwanted attention - I will. ( I shouldn't bloody have to - but frankly I only have so much energy these days).

I also don't think me having more choice means that everyone else can't ware what the fuck they want.

• A mixture of medieval and futuristic. NOT medical

Thats a bit rude. I just gave my opinion, which is that you are all talking about the word used and not at all about the fact that including certain women in areas that they have been excluded from before is a good thing. That seeing multi culturalism in fashion is a good thing, to see minorities featured in the media more is a good thing.
If anything its underthinking, because you're focusing on one small aspect and ignoring all the good things.

Just my opinion though.

I agree again Billy Muslimah Fashion sound fitting and strong. Modest is much more of a value judgement and I don't like the term. Not that I am the intended target segment of course.

Those clothes are bloody stunning. I would happily wear any of them, minus the hijab. Not because there's anything wrong with wearing hijab, but because I'm not Muslim and I avoid cultural appropriation

Also I've got a short neck and any kind of hood or scarf makes me look like Jabba the Hutt

"That seeing multi culturalism in fashion is a good thing, to see minorities featured in the media more is a good thing. " I also agree with this. sorry I stop posting "i agree" posts now

In essence I personally do not like to dress in a revealing way and never have but perfectly understand that other people do. Since I was younger i have been surrounded by fashion that is 'sexy' and revealing, which doesn't suit me at all, I do not like to draw 'that sort of attention' from men unless I fancy them. Since puberty I have hated being at the receiving end of the 'male gaze' and still detest the idea of that. That does not mean I didn't flirt, I did and I do.

I also don't feel able to move in a comfortable manner when wearing tight mini dresses, super short stuff etc. I feel strongly like that that that sort of fashion is restrictive to me. Well cut, attractive clothes that are comfy and of good quality is what I would like.

However I do not like the term 'modest' at all because it implies women who prefer to wear more revealing clothes aren't modest and that's ridiculous. Arguably a fashion show is the antithesis of modest.

What a mean spirited thread..never understand why so many non Muslims are so obsessed and offended by what many Muslim women choose to wear. Nobody is making you attend modest fashion week, nobody is making you wear or buy modest clothes so why care OP?

However I do not like the term 'modest' at all because it implies women who prefer to wear more revealing clothes aren't modest and that's ridiculous. Arguably a fashion show is the antithesis of modest

excellent summary.