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To think tropical location holidays just arent worth it

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jdoe8 · 14/02/2017 03:39

There's a constant worry about getting something nasty (malaria, rabies, dengue fever). The transport / roads often aren't very safe as they are usually in developing countries with very bad air quality in built up areas. In SE asia RTA are the biggest cause of deaths of western tourists. The bugs are annoying and you either have to use lots of pesticides / insecticides that aren't very good for you or something organic that is ineffective. You get hassled a lot and haggling is often essential and sometimes you just cant be bothered as it hot and humid.

Am I just getting old? I've done the whole a year in SE asia when I was younger and as much fun as it was, I don't partially want to go again.

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ineedwine99 · 14/02/2017 09:07

@superflyhigh did you like Dominica? We'd love to go but can't seem to find much in the way of flights from the UK.
Reunion is amazing, we missed out on seeing the volcano though due to cloud, hiked almost to the crater but had to turn back, gutted. Best explored if you have a decent grasp of french as there are rarely any translations which can make hiking trails difficult

jdoe8 · 14/02/2017 09:10

YABU, your outlook is a bit Little Englander. There are some wonderful places to visit in different continents

I didn't say there isn't, I'm just talking about getting older and having less adventure. Now too worried to rent a mopehead, I'd research where the nearest reliable health centre is with a constant supply of rabies post exposure. Many cases in SE Asia it does mean a long trip to Australia and you can get bitten by a dog at any time.

For me the most interesting things were the journeys and the random encounters. Going somewhere on a tour bus that you are just dropped off at each attraction has zero magic for me and I can't face the journeys anymore. I like the random walking / bus / share jeeps where you might just come across a local that invites you for dinner. The constant hellos and people wanting to chat to you. They were nice and the best parts.

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MDFalco · 14/02/2017 09:12

Beautiful beaches... but nothing else.
Are you sure you are actually in Australia?

Have you been to any part of the Great Dividing Range?

KeyserSophie · 14/02/2017 09:13

Not sure how old you are now OP but India has changed a lot since I first visited in 1996. Some things are the same- crazy traffic, a lot of poverty, a lot of corruption, but the major cities are a lot more economically developed and there's less desperate touting than there was (perfectly possible to book accommodation online these days Grin). That said, I find it the most frustrating country I work in (NGO) because it has so much potential but just cant get it together. Biggest case against democracy on the planet when you look at it's natural advantages vs, say, China and where it's got to.

Anyway, got to admit, I wouldnt go there on holiday unless I was 5 starring the whole thing. It's so stressful but I think that's because I cant adapt fast enough- so I'm bursting a blood vessel because I'm 30 mins late for a 1 hr meeting and the person I'm meeting is totally relaxed about it because, you know, monsoon.

Kiroro · 14/02/2017 09:15

Personally I don't find two weeks in Barbados to be fraught with dangers/difficulties.

Get on direct BA or Virgin flight. Get off plane. Get into private transfer, TO minibus or a safe taxi. Arrive at hotel. Enjoy. Go out and about on reasonably safe roads in hire car or on local buses. Eat in nice restaurants. Be safe and relax in the sun.

SuperFlyHigh · 14/02/2017 09:21

ineedwine

I did like Domincia as its very unspoiled and there are lots in the way of lakes, waterfalls etc but very volcanic. There aren't many beaches.

They were literally developing I think a sports stadium there when we went and had plans for tourism (this was about 10 years ago) but I found it quite untouristy. I went with a friend/boyfriend who is Dominican.

We flew and changed at Bridgetown (so one stop), as far as we could find there aren't direct flights there from UK.

My French strangely enough is quite good conversation wise as my parents have a holiday home in SW France and my French was always fairly good anyway, due to French boyfriend when young in UK. Useful to know that about Reunion!

Moonywormtailpadfootprongs · 14/02/2017 09:25

@MDFalco

Yes I am sure.
It you're into water sports great... but it's just coastlines where I am. Not much character to the beaches... and without a tent you'd roast on the sand. The public facilities are no different to where I am from.
DH and I have managed to drive up the coast... not much by way of scenery... flat sandy... then water. TBH you can see that anywhere, we weren't too impressed as we expected a bit more.

As I said if you enjoy tanning or sitting under a tent for a day.. then you wouldn't have any issues. I'm used to different beaches... much warmer waters and no risk of being eaten or stung by something nasty Grin.

... growing up I'm used to spending an entire day at the beach when you manage to get there under a tree... with a proper ice cold coconut fresh from the tree...some rum... or an ice cold beer...music and good food!

Looking forward to it once again... minus the alcohol have children now. 🙄

toptoe · 14/02/2017 09:35

I felt different as soon as I had a child.It made me think that whilst I might not mind taking risks, if I got very ill I wouldn't be able to look after my dc. Also, I didn't want to put them at risk.

ineedwine99 · 14/02/2017 09:36

@superflyhigh then you'd do great in Reunion, we did struggle a bit as our french isn't great so i don't think we did the island justice. A reason to go back once we've brushed up on our language skills Grin
The drive to the cirques is stunning! Great roads too so no concern there.
Will keep hoping to get to Dominica one day

SansComic · 14/02/2017 09:40

@SuperBeagle

Being Australian, we hear about how much of a corrupt hellhole Bali is often.

Being Australian, congratulations on your ability to write. You've come a long way. Life's better when you stop being a petty criminal, eh cobber?

The great thing about Australians in Bali is they go to Kuta and stay there leaving Ubud, Singaraaja, Denpasar and other wonderful places for the rest of us. I've met 2 Australians who thought Bali was part of Australia. Streuth they were bogans!

@Blinkingblimey*

What I find uncomfortable is all the luxury resorts set in countries of abject poverty/dicey human rights records

They're extremely comfortable.

to my mind travel should be about discovering other cultures

You can do that and have a good night's sleep.

not sitting on a beach in a way the locals never would

They're probably working. Do you want to go on a working holiday? How about wealthy tourists who come to London and eat and stay in places most of us can't afford to. Are we only allowed to live on a similar amount to locals? Do we have to eat local food?

I like going to countries, staying in nice hotels and also experiencing the local culture. Nothing wrong with $1 street food and then going back to your $200 a night hotel.

and often inadvertently supporting dictatorial governments etc.

I think that by refusing to travel to countries which have a government you disagree with, you are punishing those (the typical people) who most need help. We are going to Burma this summer for 3 weeks and had this discussion before booking flights. Typical people there benefit from the money you spend as it filters down through the economy. Boycotts harm those who are already being harmed. I think government owned hotels are called prisons.

@jdoe8

The Philippines is one of the worst areas for rabies. You get bitten by a dog there and even if your in manilla they might be out of the right vax and you have to rush to Oz to get it in time at a cost of thousands that your insurance may not cover.

I had one elective and one non-elective surgery in Manila in the 4 years we lived there. I'll be honest, the hospital was just okay... having a bell boy and valet parking were nice touches. 1 nurse per patient on the ward and a floor you would happily eat off were good.

My boss needed a rabies jab. They have an enormous store of them. He was bitten in a province though. I don't remember seeing strays there.

I'm not too sure where you're getting your facts from.

To think tropical location holidays just arent worth it
To think tropical location holidays just arent worth it
buckyou · 14/02/2017 09:44

Everyone likes different holidays. Would be a bit boring of everyone liked the same thing!

Personally, I like that SE Asia is a bit rough around the edges. if you don't like it, don't go. Simple!

3dancingladies · 14/02/2017 09:52

I'm with magic. -I've travelled widely across 6 continents, but now like to holiday in Cornwall or the Yorkshire Dales. No need to navigate airport security or sit squashed into a flying tin can with a load of strangers when we have such beautiful places on our doorstep.

budgiegirl · 14/02/2017 10:15

I didn't say there isn't, I'm just talking about getting older and having less adventure

That's probably fair enough, you've done a lot of travelling, and the pull of a far flung tropical holiday just isn't there anymore. If you'd never travelled, you'd maybe feel differently.

I travelled quite a lot when I was in my twenties and early thirties. Now my holidays have to revolve around the kids. We still go long haul, but it's more likely to be Florida than backpacking round Thailand. And my biggest concern is usually whether the hotel has a laundry!

My inlaws travelled extensively in their forties and fifties, and saw a huge amount of the world. But now they are in their 70's, their idea of a perfect holiday is a coach trip to Scotland (they've done this twice a year for the past 10 years).

There are many, many wonderful places to see in the world. Most 'tourist' countries will have some part of them that is worth seeing, even if it's away from the main tourist areas. But if you've already done a lot of travelling, then I can see it's not worth the effort to you. Doesn't mean it's not worth it to others.

ProfessionalPirate · 14/02/2017 10:30

If you don't fancy it any more OP that's fine, but why are you so intent on persuading everyone else to agree with you?

There are a few European countries I wouldn't be in a rush to go back to, but I won't be producing a manifesto, forcefully delineating everything I dislike about them. I'm quite happy to accept that I have probably missed some of their better points. I think people can decide for themselves.

MerryMarigold · 14/02/2017 10:35

I just go to Haven now.

I'd much rather be at work than Haven.

I've had some amazing holidays in Sri Lanka and hardly any mosquitos (depends on time of year). Malaysia also. What about the Maldives? You don't have to go 'grunge'. Some of the hotels in those places are absolutely amazing.

For those of you who'd rather stay in the UK (I am not dissing the UK, it is fantastic for short breaks), you are missing out on some incredible cultural experiences and even more amazing food.

PS. I am getting old, and I hope I still have money to do these trips when I am even older.

Astoria7974 · 14/02/2017 10:37

A lot of UK travel advice hasn't kept up with the development in healthcare in tropical countries. For example dh family lives in what is supposedly a hotspot for a virulent form of malaria in Asia- but there hasn't been a fatal case since 1989. And even before 1989, more people died of bubonic plague in the US than they did of malaria in this place.

bluebeck · 14/02/2017 10:42

I have had amazing holidays in Kenya and in the Caribbean ( not in stay safe AI resorts) and travelled around meeting people. It was wonderful and I felt very safe and welcome.

If you want to stay at home then do so. Seems a shame when we have this huge lovely planet to explore.

SuperFlyHigh · 14/02/2017 10:45

ineedwine to be honest, Domenica I went with friend/boyfriend at the time and his mum. They hadn't been back for years (I think his mum had been back more, the boyfriend hadn't been back since a child) but wanted me to come along.

India I only ever went because my cousin lived out there for 10 years! Same with one of the Thai visits because a friend lives there now. And Jamaica.

So I split the costs between staying with friends/family or getting hotel/villa. Makes it a bit more affordable. Not sure I could do that now, stay with family/friends (Indian Brits are now back in UK) but I get offers a lot!

SuperFlyHigh · 14/02/2017 10:50

I do remember getting freaked out by the injections and diseases in India, but I had all the treatment and was fine.

Strangely enough I wasn't that bad when I went to the Caribbean, had I think hepatitis and my tetanus was up to date. Luckily Zika wasn't around when I visited Caribbean.

Allthebestnamesareused · 14/02/2017 10:58

Fantastic.

Worry away.

Leave the fabulous places less populated for the normal people who don't overthink every area of their lives and just live their life!

Spikeyball · 14/02/2017 11:05

I can understand it's someone is going to see something in particular or travelling and experiencing local culture but spending 10 hours on a plane for a beach holiday - that I don't get.

StickyMouse · 14/02/2017 11:20

The only thing that I can agree with you on is the Bugs, I am one of those people that get eaten alive by mosquitos, no using a bit of Deet won't kill you but have tried using contact lenses? the Deet soaks into your skin, no amount of hand washing will stop it getting into your eyes, wearing glasses in 30c sunshine is a nightmare and can't swim easily.

I think if you go for a decent quality long haul holiday vs the heady days of youth then holidays can be fantastic,

Camomila · 14/02/2017 11:41

DHs family are from the Phillipines, we still haven't taken DS (10 months) Wie will be staying with extended family and I'm worried about everything like should we take malaria tablets? Will they have car seats? Will there be fresh milk? Etc etc.

I think we are going next spring and I'm already dreading it. I will grin and bear it for the sake of family harmony though.

Madcats · 14/02/2017 12:17

Well I think it's great that people like different holidays (particularly if it means that we can grab a bargain to Mauritus/Caribbean/Maldives) but I like my beaches fairly empty and the sea warm. I want to try new tastes, hear different bird song chat to guides about different traditions and cultures. There are plenty of non-malarial areas.

Now Europe in the high 30's 40's is not my thing at all, but millions love it...

RestlessTraveller · 14/02/2017 12:29

I've travelled A LOT. Mostly a single female
on her own.

I've had monkeys sit and share my lunch in Kuala Lumper

Been taught how to make my own Roti by a street chef in India

Spent a riotous evening in a bar with a group of people with whom I didn't share a common language with in Africa.

Been snowed in with a Canadian Ice Hockey team in Alaska.

Never once have I had anything stolen, been in a road traffic accident, partaken in anything which led to animal suffering or suffered any sort of abuse and the most deet I've ever needed was in the Catskill mountains in New York State.

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