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to think Guides should be able to make cakes?

122 replies

bonbonours · 10/02/2017 12:07

Maybe I'm just old.... My 10 year old goes to Guides and came home having done Valentine's baking with a pretty bag containing a chocolate crispie cake and a cupcake. She told me the cakes were a Shopkins cake mix where you just added water. They then iced them with runny water icing and sprinkles. Now I thought Guides was partly about learning life skills. Am I unreasonable to think learning to make a basic 4442 sponge cake should not be beyond a group of 10-14 year olds? My 6 year old could tell you the ingredients for a sponge cake. Using a cake mix is a) not real cooking b) tastes horrid c) more expensive than buying ingredients so not teaching good money skills either.

OP posts:
Parker231 · 10/02/2017 20:08

Don't think I did any baking in Guides - always preferred the outdoors activities.

Sugarlightly · 10/02/2017 20:19

Maybe I'm missing the point here but I'm an adult who knows how to both bake a cake using a recipe and a pre packaged cake mix. Both ways are about following instructions. I've never had to know how to make a cake off by heart though. (I'm 23)

PrimalLass · 10/02/2017 20:53

I did cooks badge in Brownies (so aged 7-10) and remember having to peel potatoes and other stuff which was more advanced than mixing a pack with water.

At home? I doubt you did those things at Brownies.

I'm a Brownie leader. There's no chance we would have the time or the space to bale cakes. Decorating is the best we can do and I'd be a mixture of devastated and livid if a parent posted on a major website about it afterwards.

golfbuggy · 10/02/2017 21:01

It's not the cake baking that is the problem so much as the weighing out of ingredients (either the leader has to do them all at home in advance or you have to wait for the girls to spend ages doing it on as many sets of scales as you've been able to beg borrow or steal), and the clearing away at the end. You could easily spend the best part of an hour just doing those things.

Cake mixes are just quicker and easier!

MiaowTheCat · 10/02/2017 21:15

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feellikeanalien · 10/02/2017 21:17

I remember many (many) years ago doing my cooks badge in the Brownies. We had to go to the house of the woman who was testing us and bake some kind of cake (I think it may have been rock cakes).

There was another girl there from another Brownie pack who I didn't know and she proceeded to use a packet mix.

The tester very nicely told her that in order to get her cook's badge she would have to do it from scratch. She was mortified and I felt really sorry for her.

But as a pp said we never practised making the cakes at Brownies. It was assumed you would learn this at home. I think you were just told what you had to do to get the badge.

AllotmentyPlenty · 10/02/2017 21:22

Both my children are Guides / Scouts. They do all sorts of amazingly creative cooking on camp - never during meetings though - not enough ovens or times.

Mammylamb · 10/02/2017 21:25

Entitled mothers who expected too much from me as a volunteer were the reason I stopped volunteering at guides. You want your daughter to learn to bake? Bloody teach her yourself

bonbonours · 10/02/2017 21:46

Icepop and mammy if you read my posts you will see I do bake with my kids and my point was my daughter, as the youngest in the group is quite capable of making a proper cake.

And I have already said I do volunteer and help at Brownies, Guides and Beavers, as well as school.

Primal, I absolutely remember peeling potatoes in the Brownie hut kitchen and it was definitely Brownies as I was with my friend who moved away when I was 9.

OP posts:
Leeah12 · 10/02/2017 21:55
  1. Go and offer to do a baking session with them.
I run a Brownie group and trust me preparing and collecting resources for each meeting is hard enough when I have my own daughter to look after and work full time!

Also the reason my daughter is part of girlguiding is to make new friends, have fun and to build her confidence. If your daughter achieved that from the meeting then I would say she is getting a lot from her guiding experience!

Hopefully you take the time to think about helping your local guide unit as I'm sure they would appriciate the support.

Permanentlyexhausted · 10/02/2017 21:59

I'm a Brown Owl and do cooking from scratch with my girls. We have made gingerbread and pancakes among other things. However, I wouldn't criticise others for not doing so. Cooking with large numbers of children is hard work and requires military precision. I have the confidence to do it, but others have different skills.

sabinarose · 10/02/2017 22:15

As a brownie leader working in small facilities and with limited funding (because we are a charity), especially at this time of year, when our annual subscription for our insurance is due, I can understand where the leader of the guides has come from planning this activity. We often ask our girls what they want to do as well, have you checked that your daughter hadn't picked to do this for a badge or the suchlike? We are a charity run by volunteers (supposedly for an hour and a half a week, but if that were true, I'd be done for the year already) and many of us work full time. We do the best we can, and although we ask for parent help, we rarely get it, so all I'm saying is please don't judge, we're doing our best.

SparklyUnicornPoo · 10/02/2017 22:18

Guiding is girl led, so it may be that's how the girls decided to do it, or that the mixes were cheaper than ingredients (annual subs are due soon, a lot of units are feeling a bit poor at the moment.)

I have done baking from scratch with my Rainbows, so yes, Guides absolutely would be capable, however baking and decorating would likely take the whole meeting (longer with the useless ovens some halls have) and it may be that the cakes weren't the main activity.

suziewoozie · 11/02/2017 07:46

As a Guiding leader can I just say it is really wonderful to see such a lot of supportive comments on this thread for our volunteers. We all give up a lot of our time to plan and undertake the activities for the girls, it's not just the hour and a half each week.

It's very easy to criticise what we try to do, there are some parents that you simply cannot never please because they just have completely unreasonable expectations of what Guiding is. We are also blessed with parents who are supportive and appreciate what we try to do for their children.

Our job is not to replace parenting, but to provide a "safe space" for girls to have fun and learn a whole range of skills, but also to learn to work as teams and be supportive and kind to each other, putting other people's needs before their own, learning a bit about social conscience and lots more. We do our best. We aren't paid but we do it because we care about your kids.

Surely OP, that is something to be thankful for?
Instead of complaining that what the leaders did at your daughters unit, as others on here have suggested, please do volunteer yourself. You would then see the wonderful work that Guiding volunteers actually do, the hours they give up for your child out of their own precious family time, and their compassion and commitment to your children.

I know working parents often use things like Guiding and other activities to fill in for the things they can't do because modern life is such a hamster wheel....I also work full time so I know, but I also find time to commit to a Rainbow a Brownie and a Guide unit, so please do have a go yourself I'm sure you can manage it, and the leaders will be delighted to have a new volunteer!

abeandhalo · 11/02/2017 08:01

I run a Guide unit and if we bake we usually do it from scratch, however in the past I have also bought ready-made cupcakes for a decorating competition instead of their usual biscuit snack half way through.

The Guides get to choose all of their activities but if they had it all their own way we would ONLY do food-related activities, so sometimes it's easier to go ready-made so they can do something else as well!

The other thing that does hinder us cooking is that the oven in our village hall is absolutely crap.

budgiegirl · 11/02/2017 08:18

Instead of complaining that what the leaders did at your daughters unit, as others on here have suggested, please do volunteer yourself

I agree. Complaining that an activity has not been run the way you think it should is totally out of order, unless you are prepared to step up and help run the meetings yourself. Week in, week out. Hours of training. Fundraising. Maintenance of the hall. Meetings. Admin. Thinking of ideas for activities. Preparing and running that activity. Making sure all the girls are involved and happy.

It's not easy, it's very time consuming, and it doesn't help when parents grumble that they wouldn't have done it that way.

I appreciate that many parents are kind enough to help out at an occasional meeting or fundraising event. But it really is not the same as being the one responsible for running the unit.

So if you want it done differently, step up and volunteer.

SilenceOfThePrams · 11/02/2017 08:30

Guides when I was a girl was 11-15. And when my mother was a girl, 11-16. Now with my daughter it's 10-14, with a tail off at 13.

When I was a Guide, as a patrol, we took weekly subs, kept a fraction of it as patrol funds, and used that for patrol activities. We did all sorts - but I do remember for eg cooking a whole three course meal on a very low budget in a patrol cooking competition (from memory, we did oxo and onions for soup, a cheapie bolognese, and then scrumped blackberries and apples with custard. We didn't win).

The girls now coming into Guides mostly couldn't do that. Did I mention we did it outside, on wood fires, with wood we'd gathered on the way to the meeting?

They can't do that today because the wild space beside our hut is now fully developed. And there isn't space in the garden, and the neighbouring yo of hang around outside with lazer pens, and it scares the girls

Now subs are paid termly, and patrols are reorganised termly because the girls can't seem to cope with a more rigid structure - and, because we'd rather keep the girls than subject them to the torment of being in a patrol who apparently hate them. Turns out the old way might not have been quite so character building after all.

They don't have patrol funds; they or their parents buy whatever they need, pass the leaders the receipts, and it's reimbursed that way. There's a shop over the road; it isn't onerous, although you wouldn't believe that when you hear some of the parents complain about how much time it has taken them to source cocoa powder and milk as their girl's contribution to the milkshake madness taste test challenge they've got going on that week (hint: they could have bought it over the road in less time than they've been berating one of the leaders about having to do it).

There are still cooking competitions. But in recognition of the fact most ten year olds haven't yet been taught how to use a sharp knife of strike a match, we either take a day out to an outdoors centre to do the whole thing more slowly, or we break it down into smaller chunks of time. So one week it might be making crudités and different dips. Another week it might be kl having a go at pancakes. That kind of thing.

I highly doubt the entire evening was spent on a cupcake mix. What was the activity? It may have been part of a Go for It; it may have been a 20 minute task alongside other things, it may have been thinking about ways to treat yourselves or others, it might just have been a last meeting before half term, let's have fun thing.

And yes, do, if you've got any particular skills or interests in anything you think it would be good for the girls to learn, go and offer your services to the leaders. We/they really love that!

Case in point - we had a cake decorator come in which was fab. We also messed around making sweets and chocolate for a few weeks. But another parent was a dental hygienist; she came in the same term and talked about oral care, brought in disclosing tablets and floss, and challenged them to bake something with xylitol!

And in the interests of balance, the next term we did healthy eating, and a sponsored swim.

No snark intended. Genuinely, if you think it's important the girls should learn something, go and offer to teach it. New leaders always needed, but it's recognised most people can't give that level of commitment. But one or two evenings maybe?

carcart89 · 11/02/2017 08:58

Maybe you should be a guide leader yourself then? Don't forget we are all unpaid volunteers.

specialsubject · 11/02/2017 10:01

Cooking is an essential skill. Cake making is not.

No one needs cake. If people want cake, the shops sell it super cheap, far cheaper than the ingredients and cost of the fuel!

Jessicabrassica · 11/02/2017 11:00

Wankers, would you not have started just after your 7th birthday and there gone on pack holiday at 8,9 and 10 starting guides the sept after your 10th birthday?

StartledByHisFurryShorts · 11/02/2017 11:35

Inspired by all the lovely volunteers on here, I have registered my interest to help with the guides. This may or may not involve baking cakes from scratch. I'm pretty chilled either way. Wink

BillDoor · 11/02/2017 11:58

I got my cubs to do shortbread and then muffins from scratch at an indoor camp for cooking badge.
They tasted fucking awful! And shortbread only has 3 ingredients!!!
I couldn't even get the kids to eat their own muffins! We had to have Swiss roll for pudding! Grin
They got their badges though.
I used a "baking is science!" Approach, but an awful lot still ended up anywhere but the tins.

Allthewaves · 11/02/2017 12:04

We never baked at guides. We made out cakes at home and brought them in for everyone to taste as there was no ovens in church hall

Sparklingbrook · 11/02/2017 12:07

I wouldn't have even given it a second thought TBH. I would just be happy if my child had enjoyed the session. No wonder there's a shortage of volunteers.

harderandharder2breathe · 11/02/2017 12:24

My Guide hall has no oven or hob. If we do cooking it has to be in the summer when we can use the fire pit or disposable bbqs. It used to have a hob at least but the church decided to take it out.

My Brownies is in a different church hall where we can use a well equipped decent sized kitchen... but I have 24 girls. The kitchen will hold six of them at a time plus one adult supervising. The others girls are upstairs with the other leaders. Plus usually a parent volunteer or young leader will escort the groups to and from the kitchen. It's a major palaver and we do it once a year for pancake day. Anything more complicated or time consuming just isn't practical. We've done smoothies a couple of times too, with a few borrowed blenders and pre chopped (by leaders) fruit, as no cooking time involved. We also do decorating biscuits or fairy cakes.

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