School trips - year 11

[BigSandyBalls2015]

A night away for those who have 'achieved their targets' is £90.

A night away for the 'under achievers' is free.

Should be the other way around.

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That sounds odd

More details please. Are they going to the same place? Same time? What happens if they don't go?

I seriously doubt any school would make people pay or not, based only on academic achievement, for an identical trip.

So there must be more to this.

I'm really confused I think you need to elaborate (and spell it out for thickos like me).

We have had a similar issue at the dds old school but in reverse.

I.e gifted and talented went on a billion trips and it was all subsidised so free.

Those that tried their hardest and behaved were offered very very few trips and when they did they were expensive residentials or a fun trip out.

Im guessing the gifted and talented was funded but it used to boil my piss. My girl would have got masses out of some of the trips and maybe if she had had the same enrichment as others she too would have progressed too so I'm sure they could have organised similar trips.

It also used to annoy me when they did reward trips that cost £50 so only the kids who could afford got a reward. I wish they would have picked somewhere nearer and cheaper.

What are the trips - same or different places?

Different places, different night. Both trips are at a PGL type place with the high achievers doing activities the whole time and the low achievers doing revision with a few activities.

Maybe they are wanting to encourage the pupils who really need the support to go along and are using funding such as pupil premium or other to support this

Well, it does sound a bit shit.

What happens if high achievers can't afford it? Just don't go? Go to the lower achievers trip?

What about the lower achievers? Can they opt out of their trip?

It's probably the cost of the activities which makes the cost higher then - can see the school's logic, still doesn't make it right.

Maybe you could call and ask them politely wtf their reasoning is, and take it from there?

Ohh. Your update makes it make much more sense. Sort of.

The trip for the low achievers is a revision trip, with a couple of activities thrown in as a sweetener to make them attend. No excuse that it is too expensive from the parents.

Whereas the other is a 'jolly', take it or leave it kind of trip.

I really don't see the point on going on a trip and doing revision. Surely just make the trip shorter (and cheaper) then do the revision back at school.

Odd they are doing such trips now anyway.

Sounds about right at least this is achievement rather than behaviour I suppose, makes a change. Have the high achievers had other gifted and talented trips over the years that the other pupils haven't had?

I'm sick of this sort of thing, even primary school kids recognise it "I'm going to be naughty this week, because then if I'm good next week I will get x reward"

Its not a new thing, when I was in high school all the naughty kids from my area were taken to alton towers all day for free to tire them out so they wouldn't get up to mischief on mizzy night, made even worse by taking them the day before mizzy night so they were actually still around to get up to trouble on mizzy night! Whereas my sisters and I had never done anything wrong and didn't get anything it pissed me off then and 17 ish years later I'm still annoyed about it! My oldest sister said a few in her class went and we're bragging about it before and after, and organising what they would do on mizzy night

mizzy night?

Mischief Night (30 October)

Well that's hardly fair is it.

People under achieve fir all sorts of reasons

Hectic home lives

Abusive home life

Poor teaching

Parents too poor to buy/take them to what's needed.

Being sat near someone who frequently disrupts/ruins/ their work or talks to them so they can't hear etc

Sickness that means they are off alot

Etc

Many of the reasons won't be the fault of the student. So how's it fair they miss out.

The revision trip has to be free, doesn't it?

teen may be a North West thing? It's mischief night, normally the time when eggs are thrown etc rather than as well as by Halloween trick or treaters. Known as mizzy night

Rhi thankyou

The naughty kids used to get a day out at a theme park at my dc primary school - the rest got nothing.

The OP makes it seem like it's an unfair system of making achievers pay for a trip and underachievers not, but the follow up actually show's it's actually slightly misleading in it's lack of context that they are totally different trips organized for the same time with different purposes.

The "under achievers" are being taken on a revision trip to encourage them to work - with the odd incentive activity to keep them motivated. Those who have achieved their targets are being offered a trip, purely for the sake of the trip with very little educational value ...

Since the trips aren't compulsory, I can understand them making the revision trip free to give them no excuse not to attend based on cost since it's designed to help them improve academically. They want to encourage the under achievers, and that doesn't have to mean children who aren't smart or disruptive, just ones who are working below their potential, so they are offering them a couple of days away from school, where they can focus on their studies, but also to do activities which, I will assume, will help them (eg with problem solving/co-ordination/practical application of theory) whilst also giving them an incentive to work towards during their study sessions.

The trip for those who are high achievers, is probably still going to have the same kind of activities to help them apply the things they've learned practically, but it is definitely more of an "enrichment" away day than for educational purposes, like most school trips are.