To think that 'cartwheel' shorts for girls are unnecessary!?

[Badgoushk]

So, GAP are selling cartwheel shorts for girls.
www.gap.co.uk/browse/product.do?cid=1075544&vid=1&pid=000452255005
Since when has it become inappropriate for a girl to do a cartwheel without wearing said modesty shorts?!

Nothing wrong with showing knickers at that age at all. I'm struggling to understand how that extra, but still thin layer, provides any "decency". Is it because " underwear" isn't shown or upper legs?

I'm from a matriarchal family, we all wear trousers and clothes we can move around in normally. My daughter aged 9 chooses to wear trousers to school and out with school, I've never really understood the whole skirt thing for females (apart from it making you subsurvient)

yura

Are you the pope? Because the Vatican is the only country I can think of that may be two identifying to name

I remember in junior school (so aged 8-11) we always wore cycling shorts under our skirts so we could do handstands/cartwheels etc at playtime without flashing our knickers. Not sure if it's needed below the age of 5 though.

I'm in my late 30's and we always wore cycling shorts under our dresses and skirts at playtime. I don't remember being told to. We just did.

Dd wears shorts under her skirts. Has done for years.

Have explained til I'm. Blue in the face it's just underwear no one should he looking and she's covered up sufficiently.

She still chooses to wear them. And not allowing her to wear them and feel more comfortable would probably create issues as well.

Really can't win this one. I've never made her cover up. If people can't cope with kids underwear on show its their problem not the child's.

However it does sometimes just become something they do and I can't say I know where it comes from as at home they spend hours wandering around in pants.

wow can girls not wear shorts to school?

Kids at primary here wear a uniform but its ' bottoms in school colours' and school tops.
Girls wear summer dresses, or skirts, skorts or shorts. The boys only have a choice of shorts/long pants.

Saying that, when girls hit about 8, they wear 'monkey bar knickers' or cycle shorts as they spend most break times hanging upside down from monkey bars- their choice to wear them and no one cares.

I'm in my 30s and I remember wearing cycling shorts under my skirts and dresses in the later years of primary school. No one told me to (I imagine my mum was in the knickers are already covering you camp) but I wanted to.

DD wears her football shorts under her dress in summer , her choice .

Wr had to wear pants to cover our pants when we did PE at school. Back in the 80s

But to try to insinuate there is something intrinsically so incredibly wrong about the off chance a preoubescent girl might inadvertently show her pants that she must wear what is essentially a modesty garment underneath her skirt makes me cringe at the message that is being sent to the growing generation.

I 100% agree.

A

It feels like we're going backwards with the messages we're giving girls.

Thing is how far do we go to prove the point harry

If MN is to he believed we have hundreds of 8/9/10 ur olds just wearing swim shorts on the beach because they have the sake torso as boys at the age.

And we have parents refusing to buy crop tops again because there's nothing there.

I developed late my parents refused to buy me crop tops I cab not tell you how uncomfortable I was at school in my white see through shirts and no one over the age of 7 would be seen dead in a vest.

I am doing my best to bring my children up knowing that at seeing people naked in a changing room or seeing underwear on kids at pe etc is no big deal and that at some point in their lives they may come across someone who's ill or been in an accident and clothing is removed or ripped etc and that laughing and pointing or getting silly over exposed skin or underwear is childish and immature and unkind.

However plenty of kids do sadly find underwear hilarious.

Question is at what point do we put out own child's comfort and what they want above some group message

Their feelings are valid and the fact their feelings matter less than some point the parents are trying to make would also be damaging would it not?

If the key is not making a big deal about it then going along with it til they see fit otherwise and just making sure you don't enforce the need is not making a big deal about it.

It's so hard to know what to do for the best. I'm always telling my kids that people are free to wear whatever they want if that makes them happy and it's no one else's business and to accept the person they are rather than join on any people ridiculing etc

But I can't teach that then tell them they can't wear what they like and screw anyone else...IYSWIM

When one of my cousins was younger I was horrified at her wearing a dress that was short. I suggested to my aunt she should wear a pair of shorts style knickers over her actual knickers to protect her modesty.

Things have changed in the decades from when I was little. But now we know more about risks, I really think we should try and abate them as much as we can.

It's each to their own, even leggings under a dress. You don't need to break the bank as shops go crazy for girls clothes where I find
shopping for DS harder than DD.

So it's up to the parent, as much as you want too you can't wrap them in cotton wool. At the same time when DD & I choose clothes, we always go for layers & modesty. Not necessarily girly, they both argue over vintage rock tops I had in my teens, that could be worn by both of them.

Impressed that any 12 month old can do cartwheels....
Don't think they are necessary for so young, but I hate seeing nappies on show, so have frilly knickers for dd....are these much different to that?

"Wr had to wear pants to cover our pants when we did PE at school. Back in the 80s"

Yes, we had the option of gym knickers or shorts as part of the PE uniform, 1960/70s, but that was specifically when we took pinafores/skirts off, not something worn under them.

The manufacturers seem to be missing the point here. A lot of schools have banned cartwheels / handstands etc. in the playground or on the field on health and safety grounds. It's surprising just how many children cannot do a cartwheel these days, compared to 10-20 years ago when this kind of thing was commonplace school playtime activity

Question is at what point do we put out own child's comfort and what they want above some group message

We are talking about children aged 0-5.

Do you really think they are uncomfortable with flashing their knickers?

"to protect her modesty"

I really don't like this phrase, but can't quite put my finger on why. Why is double layer knickers related to being modest? And isn't modesty usually to do with being rather quiet and self-effacing. Even in euphemism, is it a good term for describing DC, especially small ones?

So will these "modesty shorts" be worn by children (girls) at the beach and by the swimming pools of hundreds of hotels this summer to cover up the bottom half of their swimming cossies too? It's the same thing surely?

Most of the girls at our school who choose to wear the dress or a skirt wear boy leg pants in school colours underneath. I've seen kids (boys and girls) teased for wearing certain designs, so I even make sure my DS wears plain jocks for school. I've also had a few instances where young girls have been wearing knockers that are fairly loose, and have even seen 7 year olds in g-strings. I'd rather they wore the boy leg pants rather than g-strings!

koala

5 was about the time dd started coming home with her pe shorts under her school uniform.

And she's always worn leggings under short skirts or dresses. She still lives in leggings

Shorts, skirts etc
Not short skirts

But now we know more about risks, I really think we should try and abate them as much as we can

What risks? That a male might see a small childs pants?

Perhaps all children should wear those anti-rape pants that have just been invented?

Even locking the child up in the house will not abate all the risks. Seeing as abuse is most likely to come from a family member.

Again, we're putting the responsibility on girls and women to "protect their modesty" and take action to avoid being abused or raped, or even looked at a little bit strangely in the playground.

The responsibility is on the attacker not to rape or abuse, whatever the abused is wearing.

I'm willing to bet rape and sexual abuse isn't less common in cultures wher women are obliged to wear coverings and burka. Even though their modesty is well protected.

Awful. Just put them in shorts if the sight of knickers is so bothersome.

Trouble is january dd hates the material of school trousers no ornamental 5 years have we ever found a pair that fit. She also can't wear tights as they are itchy (she has eczema)

Ideally shed wear leggings as uniform

So she is genuinely more comfortable in skirts with cycling shorts underneath