To propose this radical solution to world problems? ( bit political...)

[Destinysdaughter]

This is really just idle musings but hear me out. The world seems to be so polarised now I'm starting to wonder would it be preferable, or even possible, to have whole countries that are either completely left wing or right wing as there seems to be so much conflict within countries about which is the best way forward?

I have no idea how much this would work, I guess the only model I can think of ( which was very brutal), was Partition in India, when Pakistan ( which was previously part of India), was made a completely different country.

I've been thinking about this as I don't want to live in a right wing country, I want to live in a country where minorities are respected and supported, where everyone is given an equal chance to fulfil their potential, where everyone has access to the best education and healthcare, and where I'm quite frankly sick to death of the Government swinging from left to right and where 'democracy' actually means that the minority that bothers to vote, is the group that gets their voice heard.

Totally prepared to be told I'm being U or naive, just wondered what what other pp thought about it...

Where do you think all the value creating capitalist companies (i.e. Those that pay tax and who have employees that pay tax to fund public services) would choose to be OP?

We don't actually live in a right-wing country. This government is slightly more to the right than Cameron's centrist government, but it still endorses a fairly liberal social regime. There is no opposition at the moment because most voters understand that you can't actually have good things at zero cost and that if you are going to take people's earnings at source you need to incentivise them in some way e.g. not take more than half their earnings, not call them Hitler etc.

Oh and things don't stay the same. So if you create your left-wing utopia you will have rampant inequality again within a very few years.

YABU and naive, OP.

I was idly wondering about this during the us election

If we divided the USA in two we could separate it into a Republican country and a democrat country

Then after 10 years we could prove which is 'right' as one would be way better than the other, and then everyone would adopt their policies, and we wouldn't need politics anymore

I may have been a bit sleep deprived at the time!

wish I could live in a fair and decent society. Is this that too much to ask for...?

Of course it is! What is fair and decent to you may well be the completely different to another's perspective.

Are you doing A' level revision and looking for a way to distract.

Democracy is great isn't it? Majority rule? Not sure that applies. Oh, sorry..as a collective, "we the people" vote for a government of representatimes who spends four years doing what they want, and not representing the people who voted for them.
It's not answering your question OP, but I'm not quite sure there is an answer for that

The issue you would have is that dividing people up like that would make them all assume their stance was correct- there would be no 'reward' for thinking differently or bringing unusual ideas to the table (as you just have), each country would just be a giant echo chamber. Then they will all want to fight the opposing countries to force them to adopt the 'right' view and everything ends up far worse for both sides.

Don't worry about the rude comments from other posters by the way. It's vital that people continue to explore and debate different ideas for making the world better for everyone regardless of their personal politics. I'm strongly left leaning myself (have been called a militant Trotskyist on here for daring to wonder why people with influence just do what the government tell them even if it's obviously a shit idea) but there is never a happy ending to any sort of forced regime. Some people can't see beyond Capitalism as a way of life. Others can't understand how a society without it could be so bad. We all have our blinkers.

You think the UK is right wing and treats it's citizens badly - especially minorities?

Are you serious?

Just brainstorming really, not offended by pp's comments, just wondering what it would be like. Is good to debate thoughts that just exist inside my own head.

( and maybe after a few years of Trump/Brexit you might agree with me... )

Why is the right wing typically associated with socially illiberal policies? I could imagine a right winger who believes in a small govt and limited state interference in our lives concluding that individuals should have a high degree of autonomy to choose gay marriage, abortion, sexuality, etc, yet these are all liberal policies. Why are right wingers so keen on state interference in some areas but not others?

Denmark isn't too cold, if you want to move to Scandinavia.

Anyway, if Nicola Sturgeon gets her way, your wish might come true for the UK.

But will that leave you in an even more right wing country?

Like I said a leafy isle in Scotland you can have your dreams come true, especially if they get devolution.

If we talk about fair, in the UK, each country has different rules on prescriptions, student finance etc. So if you're in England it's pretty rubbish compared with other nations.
I think water rates, possibly council tax too, I say I think, have only just been introduced in the last few years in Northern Ireland.

I understand what you're worried about Destiny, but even if there was some Utopia to escape to, you could never really escape: You will still feel the environmental impact of policies made by other nations, you would still feel the economic impacts of their decisions, (assuming you chose to trade with other countries - and you would almost certainly have to unless this Utopia was big enough and populated enough to be self sufficient).
We have to make the best of what we have! Cutting ourselves off from the world would only reduce our influence, without shielding us from any of the consequences.

On a darker note, separating people according to their political and religious beliefs is a very, very dangerous strategy: If you live next door to someone with very different beliefs to you, if you work with them, or your children go to school together, you know that they are human. You may find their political beliefs abhorrent, you may find their religion bizarre, and you may not even like them very much, but you know that they are human. Start separating people, and it becomes much easier to view them as "other", as less than human, as evil. And that's the point at which otherwise "good" people become capable of really nasty things.