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To think that the foreign aid budget should go to schools that are getting cuts

103 replies

HannahSmithson45 · 18/01/2017 18:38

Aibu to think that schools in the uk should not have their budgets being cut while money is sent abroad on many questionable projects.

Why should British children living in deprived areas with schools that are deprived have their schools cut.

My children's school is losing £600,000 and 18 teachers. Yet we are paying for ethiopian spice girls.

This pisses me off, it's right to be charitable but if we have a budget deficit then it doesn't make sense.

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engineersthumb · 18/01/2017 19:09

YABU.
The aid budiet us an investment that benefits the UK in the long term.

fourcorneredcircle · 18/01/2017 19:09

YABU For the reasons that Natalia, Disabrie, Walrus, Katherine, Tiniti and Citybush have already listed. Never mind the ones that will have also provided rational arguments whilst I've been typing this post.

I, like Walrus as a teacher and I think most teachers I've ever worked with would agree with me. We tend to be well read, global thinkers who value the benefit of sharing the wealth for the benefit of humanity as a whole though... and since it's us, at the "chalk face" dealing with the cuts day in day out I'd listen to us when we say it's not overseas aid that needs redistribution to education.

I'll echo Walrus' last line too... jog on Dear.

Creampastry · 18/01/2017 19:10

Foreign aid needs a massive overhaul .... India pays for a space program as we pay for kids health and education .... just one example.

HannahSmithson45 · 18/01/2017 19:11

I just don't understand maybe it's not your children's education being effected I don't know. But would you move to a worse house or have a worse car and give the remainder to charity or a poor neighbour. Because that's pretty much what we are doing.

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BratFarrarsPony · 18/01/2017 19:12

well maybe GB should give the Koh i Noor diamond back?

HannahSmithson45 · 18/01/2017 19:13

Can all those against me say whether this act of saving the world extends to personal finance.

So would you let your family go without to give the money to charity.

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lelapaletute · 18/01/2017 19:13

Something I've noticed is, where there is a confluence between views like this and, say, Brexit, people are very willing to take the credit for their ancestors but not the blame. E.g. " we didn't win two world wars to be told what to do by Germans!" No, exactly, you didn't, because you weren't bloody ALIVE back then. But likewise "I wasn't there during Empire/the slave trade, why should I have to make any reparations?" Very odd cognitive dissonance.

The fact remains, we in the UK, through absolutely no work of our own beyond being born on the right rock (good work mum and sad, you fucked in the right place!), enjoy a basic standard of living which is pure fantasy to much of the world. oK there are some Indian millionaires; there are a lot more millions living in slum conditions where just smelling the air would probably make you throw up, never mind having to live there and trying to keep your children alive in unsanitary conditions on less than a dollar a day. It makes no difference to them if their government sends a rocket into space. They're starving and dying of the squits. But screw them until every English person has an Eton standard of education, right? After all, they wilfully got themselves born into poverty in a ransacked country - feckin idiots.

If we weren't so bleeding tribal, we might, rather than turning a baleful gaze at the poor brown people of India, Ethiopia, Somalia etc, we turned around and craned our necks up to take a look at the wobbly white arseholes shitting on us from above, the same class of aristos, landowners and moneymen who have been sucking up all the resources and telling us to know our place for centuries. But no; they may be arseholes, but they're BRITISH arseholes, dammit! We couldn't possibly think about stopping them screwing us when we're busy screwing Johnny Foreigner.

fourcorneredcircle · 18/01/2017 19:16

creampasty perhaps read up on what the British Empire did to India and it's people... and then try and work out when our debt will be repaid.

Bloody long way away from it yet... if ever.

GogoGobo · 18/01/2017 19:17

I pay tax and I'm happy to pay foreign aid. If I was offered an extra teacher or 3 days less on a waiting list I'd still opt to pay foreign aid rather than make my country "perfect" as Tramstrays suggested. Grotesque thinking and shit comparisons to make by you and her.

LockieS · 18/01/2017 19:18

The idea that we should be paying reperations is ludicrous. I said the same thing the other day, where does that stop?

Should America be paying reperations to the descendants of spaces?

Rome could pay for sacking Europe?

East India trading company could pay reperations to India and save us the money?

lelapaletute · 18/01/2017 19:18

Hannah, no obviously not. Because the whole point of progressive taxation is, we can take a little bit from everyone who can afford a little bit, and a lot from those who can afford a lot, and give that either to services everyone needs, or as with foreign aid, to people who have bugger all by comparison. And barely notice it! That way, no be of us have to be saints every day - the decision is taken out of our hands off the common good, because while people can appreciate the virtue in principle of sharing, in practice we're all imperfect and it would be very unwise to rely solely on individual virtue to get what needs doing done.

If you look your total annual tax bill, and work out the percentage of that that goes on foreign aid, I'd be impressed if it was more than you spend on Pret A Manger sandwiches in a year.

LockieS · 18/01/2017 19:18

*slaves not spaces Hmm

Twogoats · 18/01/2017 19:18

I agree with foreign aid, but I would only like to give it to the countries most in need.

user1484317265 · 18/01/2017 19:18

Do you give to charity, OP?

LockieS · 18/01/2017 19:20

Less than you spend on sandwiches

Collectively quite a bit though?

BratFarrarsPony · 18/01/2017 19:23

YOu didnt answer my question OP.
Why do you think GB is so rich?
If you dont feel like thinking about it right now, have a little think about it later when you are running a bath full of fresh drinking water.

lelapaletute · 18/01/2017 19:24

Less annually than the new Duke of Westminster dodged in inheritance tax last year, Lockie. Are we sure we're getting annoyed about the right things?

ghostyslovesheets · 18/01/2017 19:25

but why not use the £350 Million a week we give to the EU ...oh wait no that's going to the NHS ...oh hang on

YABU OP - there is no need to make the cuts in the first place - you are playing right into the Gov's hand by focusing on the shiny thing that is aid

Strongmummy · 18/01/2017 19:29

Hannah it's pretty nasty and rude to suggest that we should stop giving aid to those who are in the greatest need, e.g. wore torn nations, those without health care, running water, access to vaccines. Those people who are mostly in countries that we colonised and stole from in very recent history. The media want you to focus your anger on the poor so you forget that we could be a lot better off as a nation if we taxed the rich/corporations

Strongmummy · 18/01/2017 19:31

And yes, America should be paying reparations to the descendants of slaves, plus ensuring they're not innocently shot!!!!

TheNaze73 · 18/01/2017 19:35

Why am I being insulted for holding a widely held opinion in this country?

It is not. It may be a view expressed by illinformed twats/UKIP numbnuts but, is not representative of the country.

Imagine if someone came on here & said, I don't have children, why should we spunk 14% of GDP on education, to raise generation snowflake. I can't stand snotty nosed kids & it's a popular opinion in this country....

That is how utterly ridiculous, you sound Biscuit

citybushisland · 18/01/2017 19:36

Hannah it's pretty nasty and rude to suggest that we should stop giving aid to those who are in the greatest need, e.g. wore torn nations, those without health care, running water, access to vaccines. Those people who are mostly in countries that we colonised and stole from in very recent history. The media want you to focus your anger on the poor so you forget that we could be a lot better off as a nation if we taxed the rich/corporations

Yes, this ^^ stop drinking the tory kool aid and think about how if we all stood together we 'could' stop them handing all the money to their cronies instead of funding education, the NHS, Social Services, Housing, Libraries, et al

StumblyMonkey · 18/01/2017 19:37

OP....can you say whether you give to charity?

It's quite relevant to this discussion.

I believe YABU. I'm happy for some of my tax to go to Foreign Aid. I don't believe it's reasonable to let some children die so that other children, who already have a much, much better life can have slightly better schooling.

The reduction of public services expenditure in the U.K. isn't the fault of those receiving Foreign Aid and as such I don't believe that they should suffer even more than they already do.

I believe there are many, many more places to look closer to home and closer to the root cause of the financial crisis to put more back in to the economy.

Why do we always look to the poorest people to give what little they have up in a financial crisis instead of those that hold the majority of the wealth?

Maz2444466 · 18/01/2017 19:37

Imho we have a moral obligation to continue foreign aid after exploiting such huge swathes of the world with our empire

This

witsender · 18/01/2017 19:37

The foreign aid budget is tiny, save your ire for the really chunky ones!

Your taxes pay for a lot of things, I doubt you are a net contributor so spouting off about wanting to veto it cause of "your taxes" is a bit ignorant tbh.

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