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To not lose weight (when DP wants me to)?

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user1472422869 · 14/01/2017 11:51

Apologies for the long post. I think all the background info is relevant.

I have a history of eating disorders which started in my mid-teens but got worse in late teens, continuing from there. They were a mixture of binge eating and severe calorie restricting with extreme exercising, in nasty cycles. Eventually I managed to reach a generally stable, "healthy" slim weight, but was not achieving it by healthy means. I would binge-eat junk food, and counteract it by exercise and fasting (unless in the company of others, in which case I would fall in line with their patterns). My mind was always consumed with weight loss and calories, and I measured my worth according to whether or not I was thin. This was how I was throughout my early twenties, and coincided with when I started a relationship with DP (this becomes relevant later).

I've seen many nutritionists/dieticians/counsellors/doctors over the years, and in the last couple have found some who have been a great help following a point at which I had become very thin and had dangerously low blood pressure and messed up blood sugar levels. In the end, what has worked best is to accept that, in my case particularly, slim does not in and of itself mean healthy.

With guidance, for the last couple of years I have been eating regular, nutritious meals no matter what, and keeping fit through regular but controlled exercise. If I feel the urge to binge on top (and often I do), I do this, but don't then compensate through restricting diet or over-exercising. This has meant in the end that I am much fatter than I used to be (though not obese or near to being) but in fact I am fitter, and my blood pressure, blood sugar levels etc are all far healthier. My overall mood and concentration have vastly improved.

With difficulty I've accepted my new shape, remembering all the positives. On occasions when I've started controlling my diet to lose weight I feel the old obsessive thought processes coming back, and feel worried that I'd run a high risk of falling back into old patterns if I were to continue along this line.

Advice from professionals has been to remember the benefits of how I am now, to work with what I am able to do, and to remember that contrary to society's overall view, thin does not automatically equal healthy, and in my case I am much healthier as I am now. I have shared this with some supportive friends and also with my partner.

In an ideal world, I'd eventually be completely free from bingeing and would then lose the weight slowly without even thinking about it. I've had a lot of guidance with diet and eat very healthily (more or less Michael Moseley-esque, but without very low calorie intake as that's triggering for me), binges aside. However, DP has made comments about my weight, saying for example that it's "hard to believe" it is healthier for me to be as I am now than as I was in our first years, and saying he thinks I have set myself a "psychological trap, " and that I should question the validity of the advice I have been given.

I have found both these comments upsetting and triggering; obviously a reason all this happened in the first place is because I was in the mindset of thinking I would be judged according to whether or not I was thin, and DP is openly doing just that. The fact he is citing those earlier years (it is relevant at the time he did not know about the eating disorder) while dismissing advice I've received more recently makes me feel he is not taking any of it seriously.

I think it is more cluelessness than maliciousness on his part, so how can I get the message through to him? It irritates me hugely that he thinks he knows best on this when he will have nothing to go on except vague misconceptions, whereas I, through necessity, have read most things going on the topic and poured time and money into professional help. He says what I've been told is "weird," "contrary to everything [he's] heard," etc.

The way he left things was by saying, "clearly this is not something I can talk to you about in any way," which isn't at all what I want. I value being able to be open about issues with him and feeling supported; later, it's been noted that I "haven't take criticism very well recently," and I can only assume that applies to this.

I know everyone says this, but in general he's kind, giving, caring etc...I am sure you may raise your eyebrows, but bottom line Is I'd rather address this whole thing with DP than LTB.

Clearly, I have a problem with mental illness as this is what got me into this mess in the first place -- so am I, now, in my own mind-trap? I don't think I am, but based on all I've written above, what do you wise Mumsnetters think? Should I be looking into ways to lose weight? Or if not, how can I get DP to back me on this and understand how damaging those comments were, as well as getting on board with my new regime?

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rookiemere · 14/01/2017 13:37

Unfortunately we live in a society where thin is automatically judged as being healthier than fat, and let's face it more attractive.

I think this is either coming from two points of view. Either as Annie says he's genuinely concerned for your wellbeing at the minute and is clumsily trying to help you or he just prefers you thin. Or indeed it could be a mixture of both of those.

Only you know, or can find out the answer, but don't keep on doubting yourself as it does sound as if you are doing exactly what you need to do to be healthy.

Nanna50 · 14/01/2017 13:45

Well done on dealing with this issue and for what its worth I don't think you are in a mind trap and when your OH says its hard to imagine you are healthier then maybe he is focusing on your size and not the whole picture? How can he not see that your mental health is just as important as physical and sometimes it's a balance that needs to be maintained.
An example of this is my brother who has status epilepticus, a seizure could kill him, he needs a high doze of anti seizure drugs and a myriad of others. These drugs impair his thinking and function. It would be easy to say that previously he appeared much better, was better company, had a better job etc before this medical cocktail and is he sure he needs to take them all because he never used to? Well no he didn't but his epilepsy became worse and this is what he needs to control it.
I'm sorry if that's not a good analogy I'm just trying to point out that both his mental and physical health is safer overall with this compromise, while neither is as good as he would wish it to be. Does that make sense?
I think the couples counselling sounds like a good idea.

WorraLiberty · 14/01/2017 13:46

That you had a massive eating disorder when you were slim, and now you dont, and would very much like to keep it that way. That if he is truly honest with himself, and he would rather you were thinner, yet more mentally ill, then hes not really a friend of yours.

Branleuse, the OP still has an eating disorder.

And her DP doesn't appear to be saying he would rather her thinner and more mentally ill.

He appears to be saying that he doesn't understand the advice she has been given, as it's contrary to what he's always been lead to believe.

The OP describes him as 'kind, giving and caring', so he could well be a friend of hers - just a confused one.

Hence the reason the joint counselling suggestion is probably a very good one.

nocoolnamesleft · 14/01/2017 13:48

Firstly, you are absolutely amazing. Eating disorders are so incredibly serious, and so hard to move on from. The progress you have made in inspiringly awesome. You rock.

Secondly, he's being an arsehole. What isn't clear, however, if whether he's an ignorant arsehole or a nasty arsehole. If he's otherwise a decent chap, then having things explained to him by a professional, and counselling, sounds like the best way forward.

If he's an arsehole in the rest of life, then you probably do need to lose weight. About, hmm, you said he was slim...about 10 stone?

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LovelyBath77 · 14/01/2017 14:02

If you want to, not him, at some point have a look at the site dietdoctor. It might change things for you.

LovelyBath77 · 14/01/2017 14:04

Ah, sorry i see you already eat a med style, MM way. that sounds good, diet doctor is along the same lines.

LovelyBath77 · 14/01/2017 14:06

What is it he has a problem with? Is it the blood sugar diet / med style way of eating you are meaning? i which case is it the things like olive oil, emphasis on healthy fats he doesn't 'get'? If so could you give him a copy of the BSD book, would that help? A lot of people have the low fat thing ingrained so it might be that he is struggling with.

dangermouseisace · 14/01/2017 14:06

woah.

You definitely need to go to couples counselling. Your DP is not being helpful at all in his comments, and the way you say he ended it sounded more like "clearly you will not agree with what I say therefore I am not going to continue to discuss it with you" which is a bit…well…pig headed. You are an expert in being you, and health experts have expertise in treating people with eating disorders- what are HIS qualifications that mean his views should trump yours and theirs?

If your DP can't accept you as you are then that is not a healthy relationship, despite his good points.

Bluntness100 · 14/01/2017 14:09

Op, you're not fat, in fact you're probably smaller than the average female in the U.K, so I don't think his concern is about health. It's about his aesthetic preference.

Where as I would say it's fine to not fancy uour partner if they are fat or be concerned about their health if they are, I don't think this applies when you're not actually fat, as you are not.

So no I don't think uou should lose weight and uou just need to tell him you're not fat , you're healthy mentally and physically and this is how you wish to stay.

Miserylovescompany2 · 14/01/2017 14:10

I would speak with your current therapist to see if a joint session would be appropriate. Then take it from there. You are the best judge of yourself, you've been dealing with your eating habits for a very long time. You've got to a healthy place. What you don't want is to be triggered back into old habits...

Size 14 is about the average UK size. You are taller also, so you'll not look out of proportion either. Your partner needs some enlightening...

Be proud of yourself OP. You've come along way...

RebelRogue · 14/01/2017 14:15

Do you have your medical results at home? Would a simple black on white "presentation" of skinny but low blood pressure,bad sugar levels etc compared to the now not skinny,but healthy levels of everything else work?

Marilynsbigsister · 14/01/2017 14:17

I think a lot of people here are being unnecessarily harsh to OPs DH. She hasn't stated anywhere in her thread that her DH wants her to be thin, just that he doesn't understand or comprehend the regime she is now on, because it goes against all he has be lead to believe. There is a huge amount of info our there on the dangers of being overweight/obese . For his partner to now tell him that being size 16 (which is what it sounds like from her description) is in some way healthier, naturally goes against all he knows about weight/health.

There is also the issue that no one has any control over. Each and every one of us is attracted to a type. (Sexually, I am not talking about Love, that is quite different. ) some people love skinny, some like plump. Some find obese overwhelmingly alluring .. there is no accounting for taste, it is hard wired inside us and is neither 'right' or 'wrong'. It's therefore quite possible your DP is expressing a preference (which he should not do at this time) as is not very helpful to someone with a serious eating disorder.

Has he been involved in your recovery. ? Does he attend medical meetings with you ? If not, this is the simplest solution. Take him with you and have a doctor explain.

Bluetrews25 · 14/01/2017 14:20

Well done on coming this far.
He is fully aware of your battles with the ED.
Is he wanting to subtly push you back there so he can be in the rescuer role again?
I have seen people with EDs break up with partners on recovering, as partners were not supportive of the new healthy behaviour, wanting to keep people unwell so they still had their 'I am needed' role. (And they all recovered and stayed well after breaking up)

Sounds like some form of counselling will be the only way to get through this and have your relationship survive.

Pippioddstocking · 14/01/2017 14:24

I think it's extremely hard for someone who has never had an ED to understand quite what it can be like .
I think counselling is a great idea, it will open his eyes and help you both.
I think men in general seem to think more of food simply as fuel and cannot understand the complexities it holds for many women .

TitaniasCloset · 14/01/2017 14:26

Bring him to your counselling session if the psychologist agrees, they will have a much better understanding of your journey.

I have been through a similar situation, my medication for my mental health issues has caused me a lot of weight gain and some family members will tell me to stop taking the meds that I need, I come from a very slim family . I used to be underweight but I was so unhappy and unwell.they just can't understand that being a bit fat now is preferable to the mental torture I was in. I'm planning to start working on my weight this year, but. I have to be realistic and do this in a healthy way.

user1471503992 · 14/01/2017 14:26

I know you want to work on this with him, but he's not looking good at the moment. He is mansplaining your medical needs when he knows fuck all about them and ignoring the fact that you are more educated. He also sounds suspiciously like he wants a trophy wife who fits his aesthetic ideal no matter whether this would be dangerous for you. Finally, when you try to discuss it he says you're not taking criticism well - ie, you haven't agreed with him. None of this is making him sound like a nice man. You could try pointing out that he is being a misogynist dickhead. or ask someone else for better advice...

kaputt · 14/01/2017 14:27

Woah. Sorry but some of these comments... did you miss the part where the OP has an eating disorder?

OP we have a very similar history and I found your post genuinely inspirational.

What your partner is doing is not acceptable. At all. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying to him, quite firmly, that you are finally making progress with your ED, and whether or not he agrees with what you're doing, you feel better, and are healthy. And that's the end of the story.

It is of course up to him if he doesn't want to be with someone who's a size 14, but if that's the way he feels you're undoubtedly better off without him! (hopefully that's an OK thing to say - not to say that you're any less desirable than you were when you were thin, but as I'm sure you're aware, the idea that 'thin women are better' is also something that men are affected by, sad as that is. Most men do seem to be able to overcome that conditioning pretty easily though, so I see no reason to stick around with someone who can't!)

dangermouseisace · 14/01/2017 14:29

^^what user said!

kittybiscuits · 14/01/2017 14:37

I think you are doing brilliantly OP. I would be wary of couples counselling. I agree with an earlier poster who said it could be damaging. I think it's a good option to talk to your own therapist about potential for joint sessions. Another option would be to bring your OH by agreement to a medical appointment. Would he be too embarrassed to spout his views to a medical/psychological professional? Unfortunately I have encountered a lot of OHs who prefer their partner with a more active eating disorder.

deblet · 14/01/2017 14:50

Op I wish to be a size 14. I am a size 26 and I am seeing a counsellor and a weight management psychologist in order to help me with my addiction to sugar and MH issues from my past. Its bloody hard work and draining and I take my hat off to you for achieving so well. I think you should both see your counsellor and perhaps a health professional who knows your case so they can tell him to shut the fuck up only in medical speak. Keep moving forward OP you are doing great.

cooltalkineverlivin · 14/01/2017 14:54

OP, like others here I understand a great deal about what you have been through. Those treating you seem to be trying to help you lay down healthy routines and develop new 'habits'. Don't let it be derailed by stupid comments, I think your plan is good. If DH seems a loose cannon with regard to his comments - then he has no insight into your experience, which is a bummer, but maybe counselling with him included can draw the curtains back for him. I think you are an intelligent person, let's hope DH can respect and support that with education.

Let me tell you, from my own experience, what you are trying to do can be done. Never lose sight of your goal and keep the faith. My very best wishes to you in your journey. We are here for you.

DozyDorissimo · 14/01/2017 15:04

Well done on what you have achieved so far!

I think your DP is looking at it simplistically - ie being thinner is healthier than being fatter. This is usually true, but for you it's better to be slightly plumper than in the grip of a major ED.

I'd pick up on one point you ask at the end of your first post, which is are you deluding yourself 'Am I in my own mind-trap?'
...ie that bingeing on top of eating well most of the time is an excuse for being heavier than you /he'd like.

Only you know the answer to this.

Obviously if you are eating well and healthily and you eat more on top through bingeing the weight will go on.

The obvious question is not to do what your DP wants but to continue to work on the bingeing with the help you've got and try to stop it altogether.

ManonLescaut · 14/01/2017 15:10

I read your OP, I understand where you've been and where you are now.

I'm assuming you've explained all this to him. So what is he not getting?
If I can get it in a few paragraphs what is he struggling with?

Does he really not understand your illness at all, or does he sort of get it but want you to be thin nonetheless?

I'm rather assuming it's the latter.

Have you tried writing it down for him? Perhaps give him you OP?

I think you give him a few more times to get it and after that it's his problem.