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to consider ending this friendship?

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Lalunya85 · 10/01/2017 10:05

(sorry, this is really long... well done and thank you if you manage to read through it all)

Lots of background here and I will try to keep it succinct.

Friend and I have known each other for more than 10 years, since uni days. We were very close for many years and she has been like a big sister to me for the first few years of our friendship. Around 8 years ago she really helped me out by letting me stay at her place for a good week, when I was trying to get rid of an abusive bf. She was both practically and emotionally very supportive at the time and I will always be grateful for that.

The problem is that I think she measures everything she gives and then requires equal amounts of gratitude in return. She always needs to be the one in charge/in the powerful position. This is particularly difficult because my mother has a similar issue and it took me years of therapy to disentangle that toxic relationship.

For example, she has not once in the last 8 years attended my birthday party or got me a present. There is always another birthday, or her sister's show, or a trip abroad (etc.) that is more important. She has sent a card once or twice for Christmas which was lovely.
For my 30th, she said that she couldn't come to my party (she lives a 3 hour drive away and said it wasn't worth just coming for the weekend). Her reasoning was that she'd rather invite me to her place the following weekend, take me out for a meal as a treat, that sort of thing. So when I arrived at her house (I was heavily pregnant at the time but made the effort to travel up on the train), she kicked the weekend off by drinking an entire bottle of Champagne "in my honour" (as I wasn't drinking). We then went food shopping for the dinner she was going to cook for me, and at the till she asked me to pay half the bill. After the dinner, I said that I really fancied going out, sitting in a bar, just being out and doing something special (I had an 18 months old at home and hadn't been away from him since he was born). She didn't like the idea because she said we had "everything we needed" at her house (i.e. cigarettes, weed, alcohol). We did end up going but she was grumpy the whole evening.

I was also going through a bit of an emotional time during this visit, and she just wasn't able to listen to me. We did a lot of talking about her issues and problems (and her family's and friends' problems...), which I am usually very happy to do. On this particular occasion, however, I felt a bit resentful because I had hoped for a "treat" weekend and instead was made to feel like a bit of a burden to her...

On the latest visit, I drove up to see her for two days again. I wasn't pregnant, so was able to at least enjoy the Champagne this time! It was a nicer visit, also because I had adjusted my expectations and wasn't looking to find a listening ear. We talked a lot about her problems again (which was fine, I was happy to listen), and then I initiated a night out. We had a great time dancing, going to a few bars etc. The problem was that she hadn't brought any money with her, so I ended up paying for the cigarettes of which I smoked two and she kept the rest (and which she put in her bag as soon as I had handed over the 10 quid to the cashier Hmm). I also paid for the entry to the club and the taxi home for both of us. She did have her card so paid for half of the drinks at the bar.

Again, although I had a fun time with her, I ended up feeling a bit resentful and taken advantage of.

The final straw came the next day, when I was back home and realised that I had left my gold necklace at hers. It is a very precious necklace with the names of my kids engraved in it. I asked her if she could post it to me, but she said she was too busy that whole week (week before Christmas, so I understand things are busy). So I asked a friend at work who has family near where she lives, and he said that she could just drop it off at their house ( a ten minute drive). Again, she said she was too busy. So I arranged for the friend to pick up the necklace from her house, but again she said she couldn't guarantee that she would be home at any particular time and she didn't want to commit. She suggested that she would bring me the necklace in person next time she came to visit, around April time. And surely I could wear "some other necklace" until then. I did tell her how precious that particular necklace was.

At that point I thought that maybe our friendship is just not worth it any more. We do have a nice time together, but I always feel that I can't quite be myself around her, and that she is quick to judge, offer "advice" which isn't really wanted and without listening to what I'm trying to say first.

Complicating factor: She has invited me and my family to her wedding this autumn. It's a 6 hour drive for us, two nights' stay in a hotel etc. We're not rich, so this is quite a big deal for us. In addition, due to some complications with her fiance's visa, the wedding might not actually happen in the end, and could be cancelled at a short notice, which means we would lose whatever deposit we would pay on our hotel/airbnb. Given how little effort she has made to come to my birthdays over the past decade or so, I am again feeling unsure if I want to do all of this for her. And I don't want to go to her wedding feeling resentful about her. So I'm considering not going, but I'm aware that this would mean the end of our friendship.

I just don't know what to do. Clearly she is making me feel bad at times, and I'm aware that she is touching a sensitive spot because she can be so similar to my mother in some ways. At the same time, she can be very generous (although her generosity sometimes seems like a bit of an ego trip, if you see what I mean) and when she came to my wedding she filmed large chunks of the day and then put together a beautiful video for us.

She herself comes from a really messed up family, where she was always made to feel like she isn't good enough. She doesn't seem to acknowledge this at all though, and always fiercely defends her mother in particular (who I think is extremely toxic and egocentric). I keep hoping that once she resolves these family issues, a lot of the bitterness and selfishness that I see in her would dissipate and I would be left with the loving and fun friend I know she can also be.

Shall I keep waiting for her to change? Lower my expectations as to what this friendship can offer? Or just count my losses and finish the friendship?

And: should I go to this wedding, or should I not?

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CupOfTeaAndAbiscuitPlease · 10/01/2017 10:41

Ask her to post it recorded as I suspect it may get "lost" in the post...i.e she never bothers to actually post it

wizzywig · 10/01/2017 10:43

I think if you cancel going to the wedding then buy yourself a new necklace as i think she will use it as a bargaining tool

UnbornMortificado · 10/01/2017 10:51

All the thing that stood out for me was when you mentioned the weed funny enough (bear with me) is it a big problem for her?

I've only mentioned it as addicts (not necessarily just weed) can be bloody selfish in my opinion. I might be massively generalising I'm only basing it on two family members and a few friends from hospital. Different addictions but the same traits in all of them.

user1483981877 · 10/01/2017 10:52

I mean (and this is just entirely how I usually end up feeling when I have once again found myself planted in a situation that leaves me dredging up family 'stuff') I feel less than the other person, less important than (hence it becomes all about them and their problems) , less valued than, less interesting than the other person. I have found it hugely difficult to turn this around in my life, but I can identify it now at least! You seem hugely self aware, especially as you are identifying the projection yet still you allow it to continue. Why is that do you think?
I suppose perhaps you could view this friendship as a sort of 'test' of the part of you that still lingers in your past, and that perhaps if you can find a way to have balance in this relationship, even if it means stepping back (not necessarily ending) from it, but finding a way that means that you feel heard and valued so you are in essence showing yourself that you important even if she doesn't show it to you then maybe you can learn something from it as well. Sorry I know I am waffling as well, I find this really interesting, how (and why) we sort of repeat past relationships.

Lalunya85 · 10/01/2017 10:52

Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to respond! I have read all the replied but and it has given me a lot of food for thought.

I think I definitely need to work on putting my foot down as soon as I feel taken advantage off (i.e. "your turn to pay for the taxi"). Perhaps if I do that, the friendship still has a chance to go on, but on terms that don't feel like I'm being "exploited" (for want of a better term).

Regarding the wedding, our kids are still small and we have no extended family anywhere near us, so we either all go to the wedding or nobody does. Well, I guess I could maybe go by myself and leave DCs with DH but I'd rather bring "my crowd" as backup Grin. IF we go. I think I will look into accomodation with free cancellation. That way we can always decide nearer the time when things have hopefully become clearer.

She is due to visit in a couple of months' time (not just me, she comes to this area every now and again for work and to visit a few other friends). I'm sure she will be in touch to arrange a meeting, and this time I think I might not bend over backwards to accommodate her schedule. If she makes the effort to see me, it would be a nice change.

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Lalunya85 · 10/01/2017 10:54

unborn interesting that you have picked up on this. I didn't think it was relevant but she is (in my eyes) a functioning alcoholic. She drinks every day, often as early as 11am, and I think she smokes weed every day too.

pip - I had no idea what your reference (ffXV) was! might look it up anyway Grin

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Touchmybum · 10/01/2017 10:56

I would say my expectations of 'friendship' have changed over the years. You have a good time in this friend's company. Maybe adjust your expectations? You know how she is, accept that, and don't expect any more? I've friends who are spectacularly unreliable, and I'm well aware of it, so I don't rely on them - but we have a good time when we get together, and that's all I expect, so I am never disappointed?

Lalunya85 · 10/01/2017 10:58

user Thank you for elaborating. Yes, I fully understand what you are saying.
Why do I allow it to continue...? Well if I knew that! I have no other explanation than that it is still the voice of the little girl in me who is silenced at home by an overwhelming and controlling mother, and who finds it extremely suffocating to be around her mother; yet at the same time there is also a kind of cruel feeling of "safety" in not being allowed a voice, in always being spoken for and "taken care of". Because it means you don't really have to take responsibility for your own choices.
NOW look who's waffling! Grin

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Lalunya85 · 10/01/2017 11:00

touchmybum Yes, I was thinking along similar lines. That I might just have to readjust my expectations with this friend. But there is something that feels really toxic with her and a bit mean, not just unreliable.

I also have a few friends that are rarely in touch, are impossible to pin down and are a bit "unreliable" in that way. But I have no doubt that they want my best and love me dearly. It's just the way they are. I have no problem with that and I'm happy to have them as my friends. It is different with this particular friend. I guess it is because her behaviour hits a soft spot.

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HarryPottersMagicWand · 10/01/2017 11:00

Honestly, sack her off. She's a shit friend with no regard for you at all. Its all about her. She was good to you in the past, you can't cling onto a bad friendship because of then. I wouldn't want her to post the necklace! I wouldn't trust her to do it recorded, it could easily get lost.

Right now you are the one putting all the effort in, you get nothing, she couldn't even say "I'll be in on x eve" so someone could pick your necklace up. She sounds like far too hard work for a friend. Sod the wedding that may or may not happen.

BasinHaircut · 10/01/2017 11:01

OP sorry to read the first post and run but your friend sounds like the 'best friend' I cut out 10 years ago. Makes me feel sad at times but was 100% the right choice.

user1483981877 · 10/01/2017 11:03

Ooh...I hear you 100%. So now, I suppose the challenge is to hear that little girl when you are actually in the situation and decide whether she deserves more than the 'cruel feeling of 'safety'. I hope that doesn't sound harsh. I think she (and you) deserve more. But I think you know that too, or you wouldn't be questioning it on here! Good luck!

Aeroflotgirl · 10/01/2017 11:11

I think the friendship has run its course. By helping you in the past, she probably did want to be in control,saw you as a little project. I would tell her your not able to come to the wedding, that will probably mean the end of this friendship, without youneeding a talk etc with her.

user1483699375 · 10/01/2017 11:20

Let it go. Simple. You will be amazed at what a weight off your shoulders it is. x

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/01/2017 11:27

I think the reason you let it continue is because you haven't yet learnt the lessons about yourself you need to know about self care and putting yourself first. You had a selfish family, who treated you in some way badly as a child. You find yourself strangely attracted to friends, who treat you in a similar way and have similar character traits. It's comfortable and it's what you know. So you'll continue to attract and be attractive to this type of person. And you will continue to feel hurt and upset as the universe shouts louder and you aren't listening that you are worth more. When you do eventually learn the lesson that you are worth more, you'll move on in some way either by ending the relationship or by redefining it to suit you.

I'd get the necklace back then have a big think about whether or not you want to go to the wedding. Will making it a bit of a family holiday mean you can't do something nice instead? And what happens if the wedding is a disaster or she turns into a diva? How will you feel then? Remember this is about you, not her.

Lalunya85 · 10/01/2017 11:41

mummy thanks, and I think you are hitting the nail on the head in many ways. I can honestly say that this is the last "hang up" from a bunch of friends who have slowly become redundant over the years. The friends I have made over the last few years are lovely, and I have a loving DH and family, too, where I feel empowered and strong.

I haven't cut off my mother, but managed to draw very clear boundaries about where her involvement begins and where it ends. It is a healthy, if a little distant, relationship now and I'm happy with it.

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Monkeypuzzle32 · 10/01/2017 12:27

I've got s friend who has some similarities, she can be the most amazing friend but on her terms so I learnt to relegate her to just enjoying her company on her terms st her house and not expect more.
Regarding your friend, as you want your necklace back I'd pretend to be planning to go to her wedding and keep pestering her for the necklace, then I'd start backing off-don't visit her, don't commit to anything etc then not go to the wedding-even if you have to claim a last minute hiccup !
Might not be the nicest way but it's what I'd do!

UnbornMortificado · 10/01/2017 12:48

Lal when I read it, it sounded spookily familiar. I'm happy to be disproven about my theory but so far most the mn threads I have read haven't.

I have certain items off my DC that are precious. Would have upset me too.

user1483981877 · 10/01/2017 13:22

Mummy that was useful to me too. Thank you.

user1483699375 · 10/01/2017 13:27

hello again - I decided with friendships that had maybe run their course - just to ask myself if I felt good being around this person most of the time. If the answer was no, then I just gently let it go. Doesnt have to be forever but one does need to feel able to readjust the 'balance of power' if one feels that you are being pushed / kept in the 'child' zone.

Katy07 · 10/01/2017 13:45

Get the necklace back then tell her to go swivel. She's a user not a friend.

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/01/2017 13:56

Learnt that one from therapist. Glad I could help. My therapist is a gem Smile

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