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Number daily mail.

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Pencilplant · 04/01/2017 14:28

Sorry if this has been done before but I've just noticed another story from the daily mail comes from a mumsnet. It's a relationship one and very sad and heartbreaking for the people involved. I assume they posted on mumsnet because they wanted a relatively anonymous place to express their sadness.
Almost every day a post seems to become a article on the mail online and I think it's appalling.

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Dizzybintess · 04/01/2017 15:18

Come on mumsnet you need to legally stop the dailyfail from lifting "stories" straight from your site.

A few years ago I had a friend who sadly died at a very young age. There was a public inquest as she was using a dieting product.
The sun lifted a photo from my Facebook without my permission and published it. Not only was it devasting to lose a friend but to them have to see that in a paper was awful.
This poor lady does not need this!

YouOKHun · 04/01/2017 15:19

dingdong if the DM starts charging to go on its site do you enjoy it enough to pay? There seem to be quite a few people who read it because it's free but wouldn't otherwise. I had a friend who worked as a hack for the DM; said it was a nightmare, poisonous atmosphere, psychotic leadership and they all used to laugh about manipulating their idiot readership - nice.

YouOKHun · 04/01/2017 15:20

Dizzybintess that's appalling!

LemonyFresh · 04/01/2017 15:21

Why would mumsnet refuse free advertising? That's not if they're selling these stories anyway.

ExConstance · 04/01/2017 15:22

Posting on MN is as public as having an article written about you in the Daily Mail, anyone who posts about their personal life on here is putting it on display to the world anyway. There are private sources of help, or the details could be made sufficiently bland to make the story less attractive to the press - was it really relevant it was 31 December?

dingdongthewitchishere · 04/01/2017 15:22

if the DM starts charging to go on its site do you enjoy it enough to pay?

Of course not, that's why I don't buy it. I am aware that the paper earn revenue through publicity of course. Otherwise, I will have to stick to metro and evening standard, but they are a lot less gossipy.

Sparklingbrook · 04/01/2017 15:24

MN is not a charity. It needs clicks to attract advertisers so anything linked in a paper brings more clicks for them so they can run a free site.

NerrSnerr · 04/01/2017 15:44

Why would MN try and stop the DM From using their threads? It gets them traffic on the site which means more money.

Mumsnet has a huge readership so if you think there's a chance of someone recognising you in the DM they may recognise you here- especially as MN put links on Facebook and Twitter. It's not a private support group, it's a very popular and open website.

If people didn't read the bollocks they write they wouldn't write it. Simple as that.

cathf · 04/01/2017 15:52

Worra, it's just a precaution in case anyone thinks s poster may read the DM.
They gave to point out that they don't just for the avoidance of any doubt and usually confirm it us 'a rag'.
I see someone has already said DM writers are not journalists, but no-one has yet called it the Daily Hate or the Daily Fail.

WorraLiberty · 04/01/2017 15:53

I've a feeling that a lot of the threads that are 'lifted' from MN are started by the journos themselves anyway.

WorraLiberty · 04/01/2017 15:55

True cathf. Before the online version became really popular, a lot of MNetters would claim they happened to read it at their 'Pil's house', or 'MIL read it and told me'....

FruJustFru · 04/01/2017 16:00

It's not a new thing that the DM trawls MN to find fodder for their articles.

It's not a new thing that any of the national media - other newspapers, magazines or TV programmes trawl MN to find fodder.

ClopySow · 04/01/2017 16:00

I always feel suspicious of the threads that start with "i've just done something really daft, make me feel better with your stories of a time you did something really daft too..."

I think they scream dm

ilovesooty · 04/01/2017 16:00

No the answer is not "not to post at all" necessarily.
The answer is to realise that you're typing in the public domain, use your common sense and don't over share.

Sparklingbrook · 04/01/2017 16:02

People spend ages educating their children about the dangers of the internet then seem to forget when posting stuff themselves.

WannaBe · 04/01/2017 16:04

"Not good for the poster if her hubby reads that paper and can identify himself. He could get nasty after that." or if he reads it on mn perhaps. Chances are that e.g. If someone is in a controlling relationship, or if they previously communicated about their lives then an abusive partner already knows that his wife reads and uses MN and is therefore far more likely to go and look there than on the DM website. Alternatively if a woman discusses threads she's read on mn with her partner, if something goes wrong in their relationship chances are he will come here to see if she's been posting about it.

Honestly, when will people realise that MN isn't a private safe space to post their personal business. MN is no less public than the DM, in fact if you post a thread here it will show up in active for as long as people keep posting on it, whereas a thread copied on to the DM website will stay there for a day max and then be replaced by some other drivel.

It's really not hard to avoid all this though if you just follow certain steps:

If you post about your private business on a public Internet forum it is no longer your private business, but is the reading matter of the world. It is, in fact, like standing in the street blindfold, broadcasting your business to the local town while people walk by, except you have no idea who they are because tey're blindfold.

If you have issue with reading mumsnet threads in the daily mail, then stop reading the daily mail. I've never seen a mn thread in the mail because I don't read it, and it's not possible to happen upon it without making the effort to do so. You can't have it both ways. If you read the mail then that means you're buying into their ethos. Don't like their practices? Then don't read it.

If you post information which makes you identifiable to those you're posting about, then there's every chance you may be identified. never post anything you don't want someone you're posting about to read on the basis they may already be reading it. You have no idea if they are.

WorraLiberty · 04/01/2017 16:07

I agree Sparkling.

Not only that but some people have absolutely no idea of what is private and what isn't, especially when it comes to Facebook.

WannaBe · 04/01/2017 16:11

Oh don't get me started on Facebook. The number of people's lives I am able to find out about because of their public Facebook profiles is astounding. I almost feel cheated if I go to look at someone's profile who I'm not friends with and they've locked it down. .

Sparklingbrook · 04/01/2017 16:13

Facebook settings should be very private surely to avoid any unwanted stealing of pictures?

Totally agree with all you say Wanna.

WannaBe · 04/01/2017 16:18

Agree entirely, but the amount of people who just don't lock down their profiles is in the majority IMO. I recently established from someone's FB profile that someone I knew about fifteen years ago is still married to his then DW, his youngest DD had a baby in December, complete with pictures, his eldest DD is currently working in Dubai, complete with pictures.... I even know where he lives and which company he works for. . And we don't even have any friends in common.....

MissVictoria · 04/01/2017 16:19

It is sneaky and underhanded, seen a few mirror online "stories" just lifted MN threads the past few weeks, one of which i'd posted on. Several of these stories have been women who are socially isolated and looking for help/reassurance/someone to talk to, who believe they are safe on MN as the other people involved aren't members so can talk openly without fear of them finding out. To then have it published in a national paper, even just the online version, could be very outing depending on the detail of information given, massively increasing the chance of an involved party seeing it. They don't give a damn what trouble they might cause for people, all they care about is the page views.

Sparklingbrook · 04/01/2017 16:21

If anyone has an accident or goes missing the papers have their FB pics within minutes don't they? Why would you not have it all locked down?

FarAwayHills · 04/01/2017 16:23

It reflects badly on MN that they are generally not concerned about the impact such a story might have on a person who has sought advice or comfort in a distressing situation. Where is the humanity and compassion for people going through a hard time. The very least MN could do is put a big warning flag to anyone creating a thread saying 'BE AWARE THIS COULD END UP IN NATIONAL BLOODY NEWSPAPER' so we can make more money

The reason for the existence of MN is that people can discuss things that they might not be able to with friends or family. Yes it's a public forum and yes there is a risk you could be identified but it's a lot less likely than being outed by the DM. MN need to remember that it is the very fact people are willing to post on their forum that brings them advertising and revenue. They ought to be disgusted and ashamed at allowing their users posts to be used tabloid fodder and a source of advertising.

CockacidalManiac · 04/01/2017 16:27

It's not just the Mail anymore; I've seen stuff from MN on the Mirror's site, even the travesty that the Independent has become runs similar stuff. If it wasn't for MN or Reddit, there'd be nothing to run.

ilovesooty · 04/01/2017 16:30

MN is a business, run for profit. I don't see why anyone expects them to take responsibility for people who can't exercise responsibility themselves.

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