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AIBU in being fed up and think this has only started since I told them I was depressed? (long)

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kat360 · 03/01/2017 14:07

This is going to be long so I can avoid drip feeding.

Background: DH is armed forces and works 40 miles away, commutes daily. He has been put on a shift pattern of 2 days, 2 nights, 4 off, from Sept 2016 to March 2017. We have 4 children, dd7, dd6, ds3 and ds2 and 3 dogs. I was diagnosed with depression March 2015 and have been on anti depressants since. It took a while to sort out the dosage but I finally felt “right” December 2015. Last September My doctor reduced it for a month ( I was having strange dreams) but I asked to have it put back up as I wasn't feeling great on the lower dose.

Ds3 started at the local nursery( which is literally next door) last April and he hated it. He kicked off numerous times which usually resulted in them calling me to pick him up. I had a meeting the end of June with the nursery manager to discuss what we were going to do about his temper. She mentioned that the nursery was being taken over by a charity in August and that all of the nursery times would change (from 15hrs over 3 days to 15hrs over 5 days). I told her about my depression (my husband was away March – July) and how I was coping on my own. She thought it that it was best to keep him off until the term finished and we could start afresh in September.

A couple of weeks after he went back in September, the nursery manager wanted another meeting. He was doing loads better, not kicking off at drop off and they didn't have to phone me to fetch him. She then commented that a couple of time he had come in smelling of something that they couldn't identify and asked if I needed any help. I stated I didn't', I apologised and said I'd look into it. We changed our fabric conditioner as a result.

We had a further meeting at the end of October where she said that he was still smelling of something, but not dirty, unclean or unhygienic. She asked if my depression was affecting me keeping on top of things at home. I stated it wasn't , I was coping fine. She then asked me to consider seeing the Armed forces support worker,( SAFFA) who she was really close with. I refused as I have had a bad experience with them in the past.

Then at the end of November she called and said that her boss wasn't happy with me keep refusing help and that if I didn't agree to meet with SAFFA that she would phone social services about my son smelling. We agreed to meet with the nursery manager and SAFFA at the nursery the first week in December.

On the day of the meeting my DH got a call from work asking him to start work earlier. He calls to reschedule the nursery appointment only to be told by the manager that if we didn't meet today then she would call social services. She agreed to phone SAFFA and change the appointment with them too.

When we get to the nursery, we drop our son off and go to the meeting with ds2. The nursery manager says she was unable to get in touch with SAFFA and that the health visitor (?) couldn't be there as she had a prior engagement. She then goes on to say that the nursery have informed us numerous times about Ds3 smelling and that the only reason she hasn't called social service is because we are such good parents with our children. Again we ask what he smells of and she says that she will fetch my sons room leader to explain as English isn't her first language/

Room leader says that he smells of animal, bo and wee, she says she has noticed that we all smell like that and that we need to accept that we clearly have a problem. They try to get us to do something called family star, where you are rated on different aspects of your parenting ability, then it is sent off to sit in front of a board which then decide what kind of help you need. We refused to do it and she said that she would be calling social services. We then asked to take our son home with us and that he wouldn't be attending nursery any more.

About 1hr later SAFFA lady shows up on our doorstep, she says that she has stopped the nursery manager from calling social service if she can come and see us next week. We arrange an appointment and she goes back to the nursery.

SAFFA lady come to our house the next week, she says it smells a bit of dog, but not offensive! (we have 3) she offers to arrange a carpet cleaning for us in the new year, which we accept. She mentions that the health visitor, who we have never met has said something about us smelling ( we had a new one) She then goes on to pressure us into sending ds3 back to the nursery e.g its close, they already know him, he won't have to settle in, he loves his key worker, he won't get any social skills at home. We reluctantly agree as he goes to school September 2017 anyway. She asks us if we would be willing to send him for the last 4 days of term, she even asks him if he wants to go back.

The next day SAFFA lady knocks on our front door and says that the nursery manager would like him not to attend until after Christmas “so we can all calm down and start afresh in the new year” she also says that before he goes back they want a meeting to discuss what we are going to do. Ds3 was really upset because the lady had said that he could go back and we weren't letting him.

Then the next week (Friday) we get a phone call from the SAFFA lady that we miss so she leaves a voicemail on both our phones. Saying that she was coming on Monday with the health visitor at 11am. My dh is at work so he phones her to ask her if we could reschedule it for when he is off. She tells him that she is ok with just seeing me on my own, that it is the only date that both she and the health visitor can do before christmas and it needs sorting so she will be round then and put the phone down on him.

So I phoned and said that it wasn't convenient for her to come on Monday and she told me that she would have to tell the nursery manager that I have stopped them from coming around and that the nursery manager might phone social services. She said they would be around over Christmas and it would ruin it for everybody. She said that we really need to sort out help for us and that she couldn't guarantee that she could protect us from social services.

During all of this going on I've been to the doctors once a month and he is really pleased with me on my anti depressants. He was worried about my BP and I had to have a 24hr bp machine fitted ( which was fun!) The results said that my bp was only raised in the daytime but not on a night which can indicate stress!

I know people can become nose blind when it comes to pets but we have plug ins, we clean our carpets once a month, we hoover everyday ( sometimes twice) dogs are walked at least twice a day and are fully toilet trained. Kids and us have shower/bath everyday, use deoderant, etc. No one else who has been in our house has commented, Even my MIL says she can't smell anything and she would tell me if she could, She's very blunt. She tells me when the boys need their hairs cut.

AIBU to be fed up and think this has only started since I told them I was depressed?

Sorry for the long post.

OP posts:
Lollypop27 · 03/01/2017 15:14

Op have you spoke to welfare? Personally I would speak to the welfare officer and explain the situation and see if they can help.

cansu · 03/01/2017 15:20

I think that you need to call their bluff here. Ask them for their concerns and why they are thinking of a referral to social care. Write their concerns down. Respond to them,write down your response. Explain that you have done everything you can to alleviate the mysterious smell and feel that the nursery worker may be over sensitive. Tell them they should refer to social care if they need to. Send your son to a different nursery. Then ask health visitor to come round to the house. Explain that nursery feel your son and in fact the whole family smells due to you having pets at home. Explain that clothes are washed and house is cleaned. Ask for her advice. They sound a total pain in the arse and fwiw you are probably right about the depression as you are now seen as vulnerable and maybe not coping. Once they have an idea they will then look for evidence to back it up.

PurpleMinionMummy · 03/01/2017 15:20

I'd be very dubious of involving welfare as I'd be worried they'd side with ssafa/the nursery. My experience is they are pretty shit though! So I'm not exactly objective. The Padre might be a good call though ;)

brasty · 03/01/2017 15:29

I would let them call Social Services and tell them that. Unless there really are problems that you are blind to, SS will have a very different approach.

kat360 · 03/01/2017 16:05

Thank you for all the replies, you have all made me feel a bit betterSmile. I forgot to put that my husband had a meeting with dd7 and dd6s headmaster before Christmas. He said that he had no concerns about the girls smelling, his wife teaches dd6 so he would know. We all come from the same house though

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lovelearning · 03/01/2017 16:17

this has only started since I told them I was depressed

stigmatizing views about mental illness are not limited to uninformed members of the general public; even well-trained professionals from most mental health disciplines subscribe to stereotypes about mental illness

Understanding the impact of stigma on people with mental illness

kali110 · 03/01/2017 16:27

I'd be removing him from the nursery too.
Sounds like as soon as you said you were suffering with m/h problems things changed.
Disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful.
Normally i'd want to do everything to stop them calling ss, but let them do it!
They can't even say what they think you all smell of!
It sounds like you have the support of your doctor too. It's up to you and him where if you you speak to someone.

kali110 · 03/01/2017 16:28

lovelearning i second that professional people definetely do it Angry

chipsandchilli · 03/01/2017 16:50

I had a bit of a situation with DC2's health visitor when i was mildly depressed then DC had an accident, she wasn't even with me. HV told hospital she had grave concerns, had seen me twice for 5 mins. Que an investigation and her telling me SS were involved. I worried myself sick, SW came and she was brilliant, i was honest with her and she spoken with DC1 HV, a small gap between them and i was signed off. As soon as SS were mentioned i went into panic mode. DC3 got the same HV and i refused her entry so was given another one who was great. When the kids started playgroup quite a few of the DMs had had problems with this HV.

I would contact SS myself explain whats going on and ask for a home visit.

kat360 · 04/01/2017 14:25

Thank you all, I was beginning to think that I was just being paranoid.

Lovelearning, I'm now looking into raw feeding, thanks for the links. It's really bad that professionals would do it. They definatly change the tone of their voice when told I've got depression.

PoppyFleur I don't really have any close friends, but my MIL would tell me if there was any smell (She's lovely, just very very truthful)

To be honest, I'm more worried about SS telling me to get rid of my dogs, as they have really helped with my depression.

I'm not sending him back, The only problem is there isn't another nursery for miles around. My sister has a BA(HONS) in early childhood education and 10+ years experience as a teaching assistant and she has said that she would put some stuff together to help him get ready for school. I've already been teaching him to write his name.

I've just realised that they are all friends on facebook as well as having a lot of other mums from around here, I got a recommended friend thing with one of them on. Its a really small community, I'm worried about being gossiped about.

AIBU in being fed up and think this has only started since I told them I was depressed? (long)
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ThisThingCalledLife · 04/01/2017 14:45

I think they perceived red flags from the beginning - when your ds was being violent.
Then they found out you have depression.
Then they noticed the 'smell' Hmm

They do seemed to have jumped to conclusions, but maybe the manager feels you've ticked enough boxes to warrant outside intervention?
Or somebody has a personal gripe against you or your dh and this is their way of sticking the knife in?

Sundance01 · 04/01/2017 15:04

This is horrible for you - I fully understand as we went through something similar with DGS school. Once they knew his Dad was in prison all sorts of 'issues' started occurring and they made safeguarding referrals when there had been no concerns before.

But I want to reassure you by saying what happened to us - Social Services came and described his life as idyllic and were very clear to us - and this may come as a surprise and go against everything you are normally told - but that you should not tell schools/nurseries much about what is happening at home as social services see far too many of these situations escalated for no good reason.

The situation with his school continued to be problematic and eventually social service's insisted we removed him from the school as they felt it was detrimental to his well being to remain there.

I only mention this to say social services know what real abuse and neglect is and are fully aware of how other professionals get over excited about what are relatively minor issues.

rabbitfrommars · 04/01/2017 15:27

Nothing to add regarding nursery, agree with what has already been said.
Only things I would suggest trying (if you still want to address the "smell" if there is one ), if you're using non bio switch to bio, it's better at removing smells and cleans better and if you're concerned about sensitive skin it's been shown that bio powder shouldn't cause skin issues. Secondly does your son clean underneath his foreskin during baths, some boys can get a little pongy if they don't. I'd avoid deodorant or sprays on such a young boy, if he's needing them this young it maybe worth speaking to your gp to see if there are any background issues.

Birdsgottafly · 04/01/2017 15:32

""To be honest, I'm more worried about SS telling me to get rid of my dogs, as they have really helped with my depression""

OP, I was a CP SW, I've always had German Shepherds, most of my colleagues had pets (they can't always manage dogs because of working hours), SW are normal every day people, with whole lives of their own, they aren't kept in boxes and let out just to do assessments (I say that a lot).

The Manager has broken their own Safeguarding and the LAs policy. If the concerns were there, they should have been reported, not used as a threat.

I would phone SS, only because you are being bullied by your SAFFA worker.

It sounds as though Chinese whispers are happening and that's no way to conduct a Child Welfare situation. The Nursery will be pulled up about this, but will possibly deny it.

xStefx · 04/01/2017 15:34

What a horrible situation OP. Sounds like they have taken a dislike to you and are now bullying you. There have been no other issued brought up and they are genuinely threatening you with SS.

I would call their bluff, call SS yourself and say you are being threatened with them and so thought you would get in touch yourself. I would change nursery's too as once they have a bee in their bonnet they wont let it go.

ClopySow · 04/01/2017 15:34

I was going to mention the bio powder thing too. And doing a proper clean of your washing machine. My washing was smelly and it was because i'd been using liquid. Put your washing machine through a boil wash with vinegar and cheap bio powder once a month.
I know this isn't solving the other issues, but at least you can be sure your clothes smell fine.

Although to be honest, i always notice a dog smell in dog owners houses, even my friend whose house is spotless and who is a cleaner.

WellErrr · 04/01/2017 15:48

I personally would ring social services myself and explain situation that they are threatening you because your kid supposedly smells. Would they like to come round and talk to my children etc

This. 100%. You have nothing to hide.

They are incredibly unprofessional to be 'threatening' you with SS

Skittlesss · 04/01/2017 16:17

I think if you smelled bad then people around you would be making comments.

I really feel for you. I suffer depression also and people often do change how they are with you once they find out. Not all people, just some. I hate how some people assume that because you're depressed you won't be cleaning yourself or your house. I know some depressed people have poor hygiene, but not all do.

I would call SS and ask them for advice about it all. Hopefully they willhave words with the nursery for being horrible.

Your little boy will be fine not going to a nursery between now and school starting. His name writing looks good. Better than mine can do and he's already at school - 5 in June!

kat360 · 06/01/2017 13:30

Update- SAFFA Lady phone Dh yesterday around 4:30 and left a voicemail asking him to call her back. She also emailed him and asked if he could provide her with date/times that were convenience to us so she could arrange the HV to come round with her.

This morning she phoned me ( I don't answer calls from private numbers) and left me a voicemail saying that I needed to get in touch with her as the HV could only come on Monday or Thursday next week. The post came and there is a letter with an appointment for Thursday! ( Addressed to the parent or guardian of me!)

I phoned SS, They put me through to a social worker. I told her the whole story and she said that they cannot do a referral for him smelling of dog, or wee, or BO. She said he would have to be at serious risk for them to need to do anything, that they shouldn't be threatening me. She said that children get dirty, they smell, they need to safely interact with animals. As long as they are safe then it is ok.

I've phoned the HV team and they are going to get the HV to phone me at sometime today.

I don't know weather it is worth putting in a complaint about the nursery manager.

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Therealloislane · 06/01/2017 13:47

I am shocked at how these so-called professionals have treated you.

I hope you get somewhere with this, I'm glad you called social services yourself.

How dare they blackmail you like this!

hollmes · 06/01/2017 14:00

SW sounds fab. Any chance they'd put it in writing for the nursery and HV etc?

If I were in your shoes, I would write a letter going a bit like this:

Dear nursery/HV/other professional,

I am aware there have been recent concerns about my child, that you have described as relating to how he smells. Having spoken to XX, from social services, I have been reassured that they have no concerns in regards to this issue or any other. I would like you to stop raising this topic with me as a safeguarding issue.

I recall disclosing my depression to you at meeting on (date), and I am worried that this has impacted your view of myself and my ability to parent. Depression is a disability as covered by the Equality Act, and I think your treatment of myself and DC may amount to discrimination. My GP monitors my depression and has raised no concerns, therefore it should not be considered as a concern in regards to my ability to parent my children effectively.

Please could you [insert any requests here - I might put "leave me the fuck alone", but that may not go down well..].

Yours sincerely
OP

mikeyssister · 06/01/2017 14:02

Can I suggest adding zoflora to your rinse cycle.

DD washes regularly and uses deodorant and we wash her clothes. I noticed as she was wearing her clothes there was a weird smell from them, kind of stale and fusty and definitely BO. It seemed as if the heat from her body was triggering stale odours in the material, even though they were clean.

Anyway MN suggested zoflora so I decided to try it on the basis even if it didn't solve the problem it couldn't hurt. Anyway, problem solved, no bad odours since.

PurpleMinionMummy · 06/01/2017 14:24

I'd ask your dh to contact them all and tell them to back off. That you have spoken to ss yourself, there are no concerns and that if they have any they should have reported them already and are failing in their duty of care to have not done so (perhaps you should threaten to report them to Ofsted?!) That any further contact to yourself will be recorded and reported as harassment. Their behaviour is appalling.

WellErrr · 06/01/2017 17:38

I would send a letter similar to the one hollmes has posted.

kali110 · 06/01/2017 20:00

I'd tell them you've spoken to ss yourself and that you won't be putting up with this any longer.
If they have any real
Concerns then they can take them to ss.
I would put a conplaint in!!