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AIBU?

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to think that DH should be able to take his holiday when it's suits us and not his employer?

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SuperflyTNT · 02/01/2017 20:59

DH works as a video editor. He's fairly senior in a small company which covers jobs abroad and in Lodnon, but most of the time they all work from home. Aside from the issues that they cut everyone's pay by 10% several years ago, and still haven't reinstated it, and that they regularly expect him to pay for hotels and other expenses up front, paying him back the following month, and for a long period of time weren't even paying him on time, sometimes up to a week and a half late, this last year they were so busy with work that DH ended up taking 3 weeks off in December, as they were too busy for him to take a week off earlier in the autumn. While he is now the only one doing his job, they regularly use freelancers and agency staff where needed, and by law, have to employ crew from the residing country when they work abroad. Despite this, DH often gets asked to manage film crews abroad, and edit, meaning he ends up working into the small hours while on a job, and then into the small hours when he gets back from a job to catch up with the other work. He does soemtimes get a lieu day, but I'm almost certain it never gets paid back fully.
I understand a lot of the job requirements are tough, but in trying to plan a holiday this year (our first in many years), DH keeps saying he'll have to check with work as to whether he can get that week off, or that he's certain they won't allow him to take that particular week off.
AIBU to think that his employer shouldn't be able to dictate when he does or doesn't take holiday? While having him off for most of December has been lovely, he's worked himself ragged this year, and has been getting more illnesses than usual, which he works through (as he works from home). I just feel his work is taking the piss? Or AIBU and this is just the way it goes now? I'm self-employed, so I'm not used to the employer/employee relationship these days.

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SuperflyTNT · 02/01/2017 21:22

Yes Margaret, as stated, I've been self-employed for the last twenty years, but, as also admitted, I haven't been an employee much, so I don't really know what it's like or the legal situation around these things. Of course I don't think that employers can't refuse holiday, but I guess when his request for holiday over his birthday week was refused, I was a little indignant on his behalf. It meant that he didn't have any time off between summer and christmas, and with a lot of jobs away in between he was working like a carthorse. I just thought it was a bit much, but obviously IWBU.

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HollaHolla · 02/01/2017 21:23

Ps. I haven't had more than a week off at once since last Xmas. My own fault for not putting in with good notice... I can't be off when my counterpart is, and we have about 15 weeks of the year where holidays are barred.

Sugarlightly · 02/01/2017 21:23

What about teachers? They can't ask for different holiday!

MuchasSmoochas · 02/01/2017 21:26

Teachers can plan ahead though. The OP can't. Not allowing holidays to be taken in the holiday year is a breach of the Working Time Regulations, and failure to provide payment in lieu is a breach of contract.

PyongyangKipperbang · 02/01/2017 21:27

Could he go freelance and be self employed like you?

He can set his own rates and plan your holidays in advance.

PyongyangKipperbang · 02/01/2017 21:29

Teachers cant change their holidays but they get them every year, they are not told "oh by the way you cant have the Xmas hols off...." are they? And they are generous holidays even taking into account work that is done at home.

MargaretCavendish · 02/01/2017 21:30

Of course I don't think that employers can't refuse holiday, but I guess when his request for holiday over his birthday week was refused, I was a little indignant on his behalf.

I'm sorry but this made me laugh, it makes it sound like you thought that birthdays might be legally protected! Again, it sounds like there are lots of legitimately shit things about your husband's job, but, as you've clearly realised now, this isn't really one of them.

SuperflyTNT · 02/01/2017 21:30

Twould be lovely Pyongyang, but we'd have to replace a significant salary to be able to do it with no financial problems, and we just don't have a 'float' to be able to get through a hump. I earn next to nothing, so we really rely on his salary.

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SuperflyTNT · 02/01/2017 21:31

pffft - no, Margaret, that's so not what I meant (about the birthday week)!

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PyongyangKipperbang · 02/01/2017 21:32

Then maybe its time for a role swap? If you could get an employed job, make significant savings for a year or 2 in order that you have that float, and in the meantime put all the plans in place for him to go freelance then it could work.

He sounds like he is close to burning out if he is getting ill and exhausted, something needs to change.

Shakey15000 · 02/01/2017 21:32

It's a race for the summer holidays where I work

Sugarlightly · 02/01/2017 21:33

Of course you can plan holidays ahead - birthdays happen the same time every year. DP works in food retail management and there are weeks of the year he is exlcuded from having off - Easter weekend, Christmas week etc. If he (or I) requests any annual leave, we can't, for example, leave or businesses without cover, on particularly busy weeks etc. That's why you book annual leave early (normally end of march).

GilMartin · 02/01/2017 21:34

The 10 year anniversary thing is a bit of a red herring tbh

I've never heard of this as a 'thing' either. Was he expecting a carriage clock or something? The closest I've heard is a letter being sent out after 20 or 25 years service.

Likewise, having to pay travel expenses and then claiming them back is absolutely standard anywhere I've worked.

Nor have I worked anywhere where I've got free reign to pick when I wanted to take holidays and it would be absolutely to suit the employer ( no leave in school holidays , having to take a set amount of leave in each quarter to no more than a certain number of employees off at a given time so more often then not it would be a case of being told: right you're off 23rd-30th March)

I think either you or your husband have a slightly unrealistic idea of working life.

SuperflyTNT · 02/01/2017 21:37

Again, would be nice, but I wouldn't earn anywhere near as much, am just building up my business again after a break, and while I don't earn much, I also have the time to care for the dc's (SEN) and study part-time.
I do keep suggesting to DH that I should get a job, but he's the one who insists I finish my degree, and someone has to be here full-time when he's away, so it works really well. Once I have my degree, and then my MA, I'd be more than happy to swap roles and he can do all the cleaning! :)

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ilovesooty · 02/01/2017 21:37

I've been with my company more than 10 years and no one marked the occasion. They do treat me pretty well though.

JustHereForThePooStories · 02/01/2017 21:40

I just wanted to check what the actual state of affairs is generally before I launched into a campaign with them!

Can I ask what you mean by this? So you intend on contacting the company yourself?

SuperflyTNT · 02/01/2017 21:41

No Gil, I think he was just expecting an acknowledgement from the others - there's a core few who all started the company together, so it would have been nice for the boss to do a wee toast over a pint when they were out for dinner on a job or something, but I don't think he was expecting a pressie.

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user1471548375 · 02/01/2017 21:41

In regards the actual thread title goes YABU.

Your husbands employers sound horrendous though - he needs to stand up for himself a bit more!

SuperflyTNT · 02/01/2017 21:41

No, Poo, I wasn't going to do anything other than encourage DH to talk to them about it, but as IWBU I've already told him I was being a pillock!

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IcaMorgan · 02/01/2017 21:43

Could be worse, he could work where my fiancé does. They just refused all his holiday dates for this year inc the ones for the wedding and honeymoon

Celaena · 02/01/2017 21:44

whatever it says in the contract, it will probably state he has to agree it with the company -

MuchasSmoochas · 02/01/2017 21:44

And I do think it's unusual to pay expenses yourself if you are working abroad and paying for hotels. That could be £1000s a month. Many employers book the flights/hotles themselves or on a company account and an employee would pay for food etc. and then reclaim. Fairly normal unless the employee is paid a fortune.

SuperflyTNT · 02/01/2017 21:45

That's harsh, ICA - what did you do?

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SuperflyTNT · 02/01/2017 21:48

and yes, Muchas, paying for food I think is understandable and fine, but often he'll have to pay for his hotel room for up to a week in a city, which is completely not fine imo, but as I said, I'm self-employed, so what do I know about these things? His pay used to be considered very good, now it's actually low enough that we're under the threshold for CTC having 2 sons with disabilities, but we're lucky enough to be doing ok, so can't complain really.

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IcaMorgan · 02/01/2017 21:52

He's going to appeal it with his supervisor on wed so hopefully it will be ok