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AIBU?

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To not replace the washing machine (any landlords about?)

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Keremy · 30/12/2016 09:47

When we moved into our rental some years ago the previous tenant had been evicted and left behind their washer and fridge. We asked if they would leave it in for us. We have admittedly used it for years but it wasn't new when we moved in.

Washing machine has broken and we replaced from our own pocket.

Landlord is now saying that if we move our washer needs to stay in place of the one they left.

Aibu to think this is unfair. Basically they get a brand new washer for one they didn't pay for and was already at least three years old.

Also our cheap beige carpets that were in fairness new are knackered due to being a decade old. Do you know if I would be charged for those too?

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Baylisiana · 30/12/2016 15:06

We recently moved out of a rented house and the deposit scheme does have a lifespan expectation for carpets after which the LL cannot claim or deduct anything, I cannot remember what but I think 5 years.

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Keremy · 30/12/2016 15:16

Deposit is in a protection scheme under the WRONG house number...

Think 559 instead of 599

Been trying to change it for years but had no success.

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RaspberryOverloadTheFirst · 30/12/2016 15:17

Hellmouth I think it's 3 x deposit amount, not all the rent paid.

nocake · 30/12/2016 15:22

If you have no inventory then you can pretty much strip the house and the landlord can do nothing about it because they can't prove what was there at the start of the tenancy. He/she is a fool to rent without an inventory.

mothertruck3r · 30/12/2016 15:25

Keep the receipt to show that you paid for the washing machine. If white goods were not included on the inventory I wouldn't worry. If they are just buy an old washing machine for £10 or get an old one from Gumtree and put it in and just say it stopped working before you leave.

RayofFuckingSunshine · 30/12/2016 15:28

Is it on the inventory? If so, he should have paid to repair/replace and owes you the money. If not, your washing machine - tough luck. LL is trying their luck

alotlikeChristmas16 · 30/12/2016 15:30

Your LL is trying their luck. We bought a washer after ancient one that was there gave up the ghost and they gave us £200 for it as we didn't need to take it with us.

Newbrummie · 30/12/2016 15:43

I would want you to take your white goods, if you leave them im responsible for them and o know nothing about their history .... He's being a tool

Newbrummie · 30/12/2016 15:45

Hellmouth Really ? My LL hasn't done that and I know he'd have a hell of a job evicting us but I didn't think there were other consequences

SnatchedPencil · 30/12/2016 16:12

Your landlord can't demand your washing machine, it is yours because you paid for it. He could argue that when the old one broke, you should have told him so he could dispose of it as he saw fit. The washing machine broke down because of normal use (I assume), so that would be "fair wear and tear". At most he could require you supply him with a broken washing machine; why he would want that when he'd then have to pay for disposal, who knows.

As for the carpets, "fair wear and tear" applies here too. You could be expected to have them cleaned, but you couldn't be charged for them being worn after a decade of normal usage.

At the end of the tenancy, you are expected to return the property in the same condition as you took it on, allowing for things to become worn over time. The landlord can only require you to pay extra for things that are worn beyond a "reasonable" level for the time you have lived there.

For instance, a gas cooker would have to be cleaned before you left (assuming it was clean when you moved in!). But the fact the ignition button takes ages to generate a spark to ignite the flame is the landlord's problem. New carpets at the start of a tenancy are no longer new at the end of it, and the landlord is not entitled to expect the carpets are still as good as new after ten years.

Incidentally if no inventory was taken at the beginning of the tenancy, the landlord will not be able to prove that an item was even on site to begin with, unless it is specified in the contract.

Randonneur · 30/12/2016 18:04

Ring the dps, they are really helpful. If the person you speak to isn't really helpful then ring back - inhave had a few duds during a long-running dispute with an ex landlord.

jollygoose · 30/12/2016 19:14

we rent out small flat with fitted white goods, when the washing machine developed a fault we had it fixed, if it gave up altogether we would have replaced with a new one. Think your ll is being a bit mean I would do as others suggest and buy a cheap reconditioned one when you move and take new one with you.

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