To be absolutely fed up of people winging on about taxes?

[malificent7]

Winge winge winge.
Where does my tax go? ... schools, roads, hospitals, welfare.
It is winging on about welfare that gets my goat. Most of us parents claim child benefit, many claim child tax crdfits and working tax crefits.
Many if us might find ourselves unemployed. Dd

bollocks

icy121 sounds like you work MLM they way you talk!

Yes, I too wish we lived in a dictatorship where we aren't free to express our opinions.

I'm in the toptax bracket and very happy and grateful to be so. I'd also be willing to pay more if it went to the NHS and education. And the majority of people I know are the same.

I'd like to pay lots of tax and wouldn't care where it went.
Strangely enough I'm not asked to pay any. When i try to give HMRC some they send it back.

For me it's not the tax I pay from my wages but all the stealth tax along the way.. tax on taxes.. food, petrol, little luxuries, insurance savings etc

Can someone explain to me why you're only a net contributor if you earn over 34k because I don't understand, thank you.

I am pleased to say I've heard very few people moan about paying taxes. I'm very happy to pay taxes and receive all that we do.

We are net contributors - dc in private school, private health care - I don't look at the tax bit of payslips, better not to know. You never really had it.

"Approaching" six figures doesn't exactly make one an oligarch. Especially if you ride on your husbands success to justify your household's contribution to tax. If you're only sticking in 40k, your husband must be earning... 350-400k? Makes your contribution look like small fry!

Just sayin

I agree with you never really had it and think that's a healthy way of looking at it if you know you'll be paying a lot.
Once you pay it out it is no longer your money so not your tax to worry about.
Unless you break the law you have to pay what is due to you anyway.
There must be so many ways the government use the money they take, besides the obvious NHS, Schools, Wars etc.

People are allowed to complain about the level of taxation they pay if they wish, it's not like they can refuse to pay them. Speaking more broadly some people gain from Government spending in relation to what tax they pay whilst others others lose and I'm not sure why those that lose out are not entitled to air their views.

Hey redrighthand what do you earn? What's your contribution?

Just sayin'!

newdaynewname I think people mean that due to things like working tax credits a lot of people earning less than £34k that also get some sort of in-work benefit. There is probably also an assumption about how much the average person costs the NHS a year in terms of treatment, or what the per capita share of defending the borders/policing the streets/maintaining a diplomatic service abroad is.

Also there are things that taxes pay for that people don't necessarily need to be an active user of for there to be some kind of cost associated with it. E.g. Someone might not ever go to the GP, but the fact that they are registered with one, have an NHS record etc means there is some cost associated with anyone being part of the system.

But no one earning 24k would get an in work tax benefit, let alone 34

newday
Before you earn £34k, the amount you pay in tax is less than it costs for the state to look after you
It's based on the average person having the average number of NHS appointments, average number of children in school, average number of local roads to maintain etc

Obviously there will be exceptions to this, with people who never see a doctor, don't have children and live on their own land without using any public services.

But until you are on a typical PAYE salary over £35k, you're taking more out than you put in

Ah I see. Well yes if you have children I guess that makes a big difference.

About £175k, depending on contracting/bonus etc. Basic is £125k. HTH. that's me all by myself btw. Not my husband added in for effect

If you were to sit down and ponder these things, I think it is absolutely fine to see your tax contribution as an entire family. If you have children together, you are both responsible for them, so eg you can't really suggest that the sahm whose husband pays a huge tax bill is a 'taker' because her children go to school and use the NHS.

However, I think separating the world of tax into contributers and 'takers' is a bit of a worrying way to look at it. A baby who is born with severe disabilities and who lives to be 40 years old is never going to be a contributor, and the knock on effect on the parents of said baby is that their caring duties will lock at least one of them into a life of not being a contributor in economic terms. And whilst people will usually say 'oh, I don't mean people like that of course, I mean people who are lazy' when they talk about people not contributing, I think it is something of a slippery slope. You could be earning a huge salary and contributing loads yesterday, and today you could have an accident that leaves you brain damaged and needing life long care. Unless you paid millions of pounds in tax before your accident, you would soon switch from one side of the fence to the other.

Several years ago, I felt a small lump in my breast. The hospital removed it, tested it and were able to tell me that it was a non-cancerous, benign lump.
About 3 years later, I had a simple slip/fall which resulted in a massive leg injury. I was on crutches and in a wheelchair for 3 years, in and out of hospital. I had 4 major operations to stabilise then fix/fuse it so that I could walk again.
18 months after my accident, 2 operations in and still needing the huge, final one, I felt another breast lump. Now, if I'd been somewhere that doesn't have a health service, that relies on people taking out private health insurance, I wouldn't have gone to the Dr with that lump. I knew that I needed more surgery on my leg, and that I'd had enough time off work already.
I did go to my NHS GP and I did have breast cancer.
I had an operation to remove lymph nodes, mastectomy with immediate reconstruction, my 3rd leg operation, more breast treatment and further operation then the final big leg operation.
I had to resign from my job, my children continued to go to school and I got lots of NHS counselling to help me come to terms with the new me.
I'm working again now. I get my free mammogram and consultant appointment every year. I've been discharged from the leg Dr now.
I'm working and really happy to be paying back into the system again.
We must fight to keep our NHS, and should ensure that these big corporations who make billions in the UK pay back into the country that they take from.
If I'd been relying on private health care insurance, I wouldn't have gone with the 2nd lump and I wouldn't be here now. So to answer the Op, no, I don't moan about paying my taxes and I'm proud to be able to pay back into the system that supported me.

I used to love paying taxes. Still don't mind but not quite so enthusiastic.

Society has to be seen as fair. If you pay and pay and then when you need it you are at the bottom of the pile, the back of the queue - that's when people really moan.

People get upset as there is no choice but to pay tax (over certain earnings) and no say whatsoever as to what it is spent on.

It pays for many things, the majority of adults will have at least one element they disagree with.

I don't pay taxes as I work but don't earn above the basic threshold

I'd happily pay more tax to be honest. There's a reason why the Scandinavian countries have such good public services.

Definitely don't get WTC/ctc at 34k as that is about what we earn as a family. But we only have one child and wouldn't get it at 26k either.