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35 replies

Pondling · 11/12/2016 23:14

Apologies but this is quite long - would like external viewpoints so will attempt to present the facts as neutrally as possible:

Two sisters, let's say Ann and Barbara. Both 60+, largely NC due to not seeing eye to eye over anything, but particularly over the care of their elderly mother, henceforth known as GM.

GM has had worsening dementia for some years, but has lived alone with increasing support from carers, and from Ann who lives close by. Ann has always lived close by, has seen her mother regularly, and has both powers of attorney. Barbara emigrated 20 years ago but has remained fairly close to her mum. Barbara is not well off, and a couple of years ago Ann noticed that money was regularly leaving GM's account, going to Barbara. It transpired Barbara had the bank details and was basically helping herself - but claimed she always asked and GM said it was ok, which may well have been true. Whether GM was able to make such decisions is debatable. Large fallout ensued, Ann stopped Barbara's access to the bank accounts as she felt she was taking advantage of GM. They have been NC since.

This summer GM had a bad fall, and it became clear she would not be able to leave hospital to return home, and would have to go into a care home. Ann arranged all this. Barbara was informed and never replied. GM's flat had to be sold, and Ann's son and DP said they would he interested in buying it. Ann had the flat valued by several agents, and has arranged that it be sold to the son and DP for slightly less than market value to reflect the fact it is a private sale without agents fees. The price agreed has been declared reasonable by both parties' solicitors, and has been approved by the office of the public guardian.

GM now needs 24 hour care. She is settled in her home, and while though the loss of familiar surroundings and her fall have undoubtedly worsened her condition, she seems as happy a possible in the circumstances. The sale is going ahead with exchange due just before Christmas and the proceeds will enable her to remain at the private care home for as long as necessary.

Barbara has now emailed Ann to say the sale is illegal as the house was not offered on the open market, that she will be returning to the UK and removing GM from the home, and intends to move herself and her DP into GM's flat to care for her. She intends to take Ann to court if she refuses any of this. Ann is very upset and worried, as are her son and his DP. Not least about the impact on GM if she has her surroundings changed again and is left to inexperienced carers.

Has Ann behaved badly allowing her son to buy the flat?! Can Barbara remove her mother when Ann has power of attorney and placed her there, and GM definitely no longer has capacity?!

OP posts:
MidniteScribbler · 12/12/2016 00:20

Nothing wrong with selling a house less agent's fees. I did it for a relative's house that the neighbours son wanted to buy. Got several valuations, she picked the price she was happy to sell for on the open market, then we took off what we would have paid an agent. She still got what she wanted, so there is nothing wrong with it and it's sensible selling.

One thing I would do OP, is to change the locks on GM's flat now. Not sure if Barbara ever held a key, but making sure you your mum is the only person to hold the keys means she can't go in and squat.

Also let the nursing home know what is going on. Make sure they have a copy of the POA so they know that your mother is the only person who has the right to make any changes to GM's care arrangements, and that she is not allowed off the premises without her. You don't want Barbara saying she's taking her out for the day and just not returning her.

You may want to have a chat to the solicitor about the funds from the flat. I am the POA for my relative, and I ended up putting it in a trust fund with me as the only person able to access it to make sure no one could try anything (including keeping myself safe by making sure it was all accounted for).

Honestly, if Barbara threatens to go to court, then tell her to go for it and you look forward to seeing her there. I'm willing to bet she is bluffing to try and get you to do what she wants. She hasn't been interested in her mother's care before, so she's not going to suddenly want to take on being a full time carer.

Benedikte2 · 12/12/2016 00:25

Tinkly you cannot say OPs brother has undoubtedly benefited because it is not certain, as you yourself has said. The place may have sat for ages without any interest and the price been reduced as a result.

Jenijena · 12/12/2016 00:35

In my family's case, where the grandparent was compos mentis but moved into residential care, 'Barbara' said she'd never talk to GP again if they sold the property to the family member. GP had previously lived with Barbara at her own invitation on a temporary basis.

She stuck to her threat, didn't attend the funeral, unsuccessfully contested the will and has never spoken to 'Ann' or 'Cathy' again.

Dementia is hideous, but I don't see how an individual can provide the 24hr safe and secure care without sacrificing their needs to sleep.

summerainbow · 12/12/2016 05:05

I would change locks on flat . Sell it. And if barbara does come back she will have nowhere to stay. Her DP might not be even allow to come to uk for long period. If she does want take ann to court. Let her.

mypropertea · 12/12/2016 06:31

I'd sell the flat and let her go to fought if she wants. There are no bridges worth saving.

Underthemoonlight · 12/12/2016 06:45

Your DM needs to speak to your
GM social worker assessments would have been carried out to say what your GMs needs are and capabilities and what has been advised care wise. She needs to inform her of her sisters financial abuse and intentions to remove her from a place she's is now comfortable and content in.

mrscarrotironfoundersson · 12/12/2016 07:39

The private sale goes through almost 'guaranteed' so no backing out last minute, its also quick.

We've had a similar family scenario recently. All the money grabbing cousins reckon they could have got more money for it, ha, fat fucking chance!

Jog on Babs.

BobbyNoggle · 12/12/2016 09:18

One thing I would do OP, is to change the locks on GM's flat now. Not sure if Barbara ever held a key, but making sure you your mum is the only person to hold the keys means she can't go in and squat
^
This.

YelloDraw · 12/12/2016 09:24

Ann should have reported Barbara for theft when she was stealing the moneny!

What a fucking cow Barbara is. Such a shame people end up related to toss pots like that.

My BIL is having a similar situation - a pretty much NC alcoholic sibling is back on the scene, staling money and trying to remove their dad from nursing home to look after them in the house to try and get the house out of it. Despicable.

YelloDraw · 12/12/2016 09:24

One thing I would do OP, is to change the locks on GM's flat now. Not sure if Barbara ever held a key, but making sure you your mum is the only person to hold the keys means she can't go in and squat

Oh yes 100% change the locks!

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