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To think my elderly parents should not be looking after my extremely challenging behaved Nephew

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wowowhatsmyname · 10/12/2016 20:03

My brother and his wife have two children. One is severely disabled with a Learning Disability and the other is a baby. Neither my Brother ofrhis wife work. His Wife is an abusive, lazy bully who does nothing day in day out while ordering my Brother about. My Brother and his family are both known to Social Services and their Social Worker has warned his Wife that the way she speaks to my Brother is cruel and that she needs to help him care for their Son. My Brother is regularly shouted at, belittled and bullied by his Wife but he doesn’t want to be on his own and doesn’t seem to have the strength to leave.

She has always said she cannot deal with her Son and my Brother ‘needs to do it all’. So my Brother is effectively a Single parent. He has to take his Son to school each day and then have him out the house until 6pm as his Wife doesn’t want to have him in the house at all as he affects her mental health.

My Brother then takes his Son to my Parents every Sunday from early morning to evening. My Parents let my Brother rest while they take over.

The problem is my Nephew’s behaviour is unbelievably difficult. He bites, kicks, screams. He has been expelled from every school he’s been at. He is not allowed in the playground in his current school and must be with two adults at all times. My parents are both elderly and can barely cope. They are exhausted, stressed, depressed and dreading every Sunday that he comes over. He’s damaged most things in their house and, as they both are very involved in voluntary work, they have no free time. They don’t get paid. They accept my Nephew coming over as they are Religious and believe it would be wrong not to help my Brother. But they complain every day on the phone to me saying they can barely cope and wish my Brother’s wife would help more.

My Brother’s other Son is only a baby and already has bite marks and bruises as he is regularly injured by his Brother. I am a Social Worker myself and decided enough was enough a year ago and made a referral to Social Services. Nothing has been done as no official respite carer can cope with him. How Social Services can let my Brother even be my Nephew’s main carer I do not know as they are not providing suitable care but no one else can and the Social Worker has said he’s too young for Residential care and too challenging for any foster carer.

I just don’t feel it’s my Parent’s job to have my Nephew every single Sunday when they are elderly and his behaviour is so incredibly challenging that it is causing them physical and emotional harm. My Parents have both been injured by him and look so stressed they actually look ill.

I take my nephew some Sunday’s to a local group which is great. But my Brother expects my Parents to have his Son all day so even though I’ve taken him out for several house he still is at my Parents for several hours each Sunday and the group isn’t on every week. I live several hours away so can’t always help even though I do what I can.

I am pursuing more support from Social Services but as my Brother and his Wife are both at home they do not get given much support as Social Services feel they could organise themselves better and give each other repeat. But they know my Brother’s wife does nothing so while I agree with them, it doesn’t help my Brother.

Obviously my Brother’s life is very hard. He has Aspergers and struggles socially and doesn’t seem to understand his Son and with his Wife choosing to be distant in her Son’s life (she leaves to visit friends abroad regularly for a break) my Nephew is a disturbed and challenging boy. But this is not my Parents problem. They should not feel they need to have my Nephew every single Sunday all day for 10 hours at a time. They should help, but having sole care of him one full day every single week is just too much for them at their age and needs too be stopped. If they liked doing it then fair enough, but they hate it and only do it as they are religious and fear they are committing a sin if they don’t.

Social services are being lazy as my parents are going their job for them and providing respite when really, professional support needs to be put in place. But that costs money and it’s all budgets in Social Services now. AIBU to think my parents really shouldn’t feel obliged to provide respite and should stop providing it? It’s not helping anyway,.

OP posts:
baconandeggies · 10/12/2016 20:11

If they liked doing it then fair enough, but they hate it and only do it as they are religious and fear they are committing a sin if they don’t.

You've told your brother this?

baconandeggies · 10/12/2016 20:12

(YANBU btw)

BishopBrennansArse · 10/12/2016 20:13

Both me and DH are full time carers yet still need respite.

Must be lazy arseholes too, eh?

Have a Biscuit

spanieleyes · 10/12/2016 20:17

I don't think the OP meant that the parents shouldn't have some respite, but that the grandparents shouldn't be providing it!

BishopBrennansArse · 10/12/2016 20:18

Which would be fair enough, but the way the OP describes them is hideous. All awful people except her brother!

With family like that who needs enemies?

IJustWantABrew · 10/12/2016 20:20

Wow! Sounds like an awful situation. Your brother should sack the wife of because she sounds like a bloody nightmare !
Can you not take the kids one week , your brother take them the next, your parents the next and so on and so forth. That way your parents don't have them every weekend.
Out of interest how olds the eldest?

VeryBitchyRestingFace · 10/12/2016 20:23

Which would be fair enough, but the way the OP describes them is hideous. All awful people except her brother!

With the exception of the SiL, I don't think OP has been unduly censorious. Perhaps SiL really is as per the description?

Heatherplant · 10/12/2016 20:24

If this is genuine then all you can do is keep in contact with SS, offer respite as and when you can (but only if you want to) and leave your brother and parents to make their own arrangements without getting involved. How could your brother and his partner 'organise their life better', is this something you could assist them with to help them help themselves? Does your nephew have a diagnosis, is he in main stream education or a specialist SEN school? I only ask as I've a good friend who works in SEN education and I know they provide respite care too, usually to the most challenging cases, it's nowhere near enough but it's still respite at the end of the day.

BishopBrennansArse · 10/12/2016 20:28

The way the nephew is described is pretty dreadful too

OohhThatsMe · 10/12/2016 20:36

Does anyone remember Zeebrugge?

VeryBitchyRestingFace · 10/12/2016 20:41

Does anyone remember Zeebrugge?

You on the right thread?

Twogoats · 10/12/2016 20:44

It sounds difficult for everyone, including the little boy.

Have you tried talking to your SIL 1 on 1? She sounds depressed and like she needs help.

HighDataUsage · 10/12/2016 20:44

Has your nephew been assessed for PDA? His behavioural traits seem to tick the boxes for PDA and with your brother having aspergers it is worth getting your nephew assessed for it.

www.autism.org.uk/about/what-is/pda.aspx

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 10/12/2016 20:44

I think approach from the opposite side of the problem too.
Its not just the Nephew that needs help, your DParents need protected from him and your DBrother who is taking liberties (albeit forced into it by his wife)

They've been stressed, physically injured, their propert has been damaged.
As they get frailer and your Nephew gets stronger , it'll get worse.

Safeguarding Adults with a special interest in Elder care (maybe start with Age Concern? )

I think I'd be tempted to take them out of the house , not answer the door, whatever it takes for them ^not6 to accomodate hime.

Your SIL won't let your nephew or brother in the house till after 6pm?
Can she not go out somewhere instead?

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 10/12/2016 20:55

I may be being unfair but I'm far from convinced that OP is a social worker. The way her DB and his family are described, the language used (abusive, lazy bully), even the concepts (SIL being "cruel") of it sounds like professional.

I have friends and relatives in this job and related fields. None would express themselves like that.

HighDataUsage · 10/12/2016 20:55

I'd actually report your sil to SS for neglecting your nephew and preventing him from coming home every day. I reckon he behaves the way he does because he knows that his own mother doesn't want him. It is attention seeking behaviour caused by two dysfunctional adults who frankly shouldn't have custody of t :) sir own children.

HighDataUsage · 10/12/2016 20:56

Their own children. I don't know where the smiley face came from.

OohhThatsMe · 10/12/2016 21:07

Does anyone remember Zeebrugge?

You on the right thread?

Yes, I'm on the right thread. There are distinct similarities between that thread and this.

lasttimeround · 10/12/2016 21:28

Csn you help more? Or help your brother get more help from ss. Or get some support for your poor sil

TheNewSchmoo · 10/12/2016 21:36

Two sides to every story, but you do appear to have rose-tinted spectacles in favour of your brother. Your SILs life sounds exceptionally hard too.

Candypops14 · 10/12/2016 21:50

You discribe your nephew as disturbedShock the way you speak about a disabled child is disgusting.

Candypops14 · 10/12/2016 21:52

And I would be very surprised if you are a actual social worker. Using the language you have.

TheRollingCrone · 10/12/2016 21:54

Oh zeebrugge Shock I'd forgotten..