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To be appalled at the growing number of homeless on the streets.

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heartskey · 07/12/2016 22:15

There never used to be this many. I think it's scandalous that we have so many with nowhere to sleep. The government don't seem to give a toss. I can't imagine how awful it must be to have to sleep in a cold damp shop doorway on these cold nights. So many young men and increasingly young women having to sleep rough. Our government should be ashamed to just ignore what's going on. That's it really, just needed to vent.

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SleightOfMind · 07/12/2016 23:27

I work in Kings Cross (go into the office once a week) and have noticed more people out on the street in the last three years particularly.

There'll always be a percentage of people who struggle, whether it's a bit of bad luck or longer term issues.
I don't think a society that fails to provide for them can call itself civilised.

HalfShellHero · 07/12/2016 23:28

The benefits system has a lot of blood on its hands Sad all of this is just so frightening , for the grace of god all of us..

Memoires · 07/12/2016 23:29

I remember when was like this back in the 80s/90s. We all thought it would never happen again. And this time w have increasing numbers of people having to rely on food banks.

But it's OK. We're all in it together, as are Cameron, May, Johnson, Gove,, and most of all Osborne.

PickAChew · 07/12/2016 23:29

There's a significant homeless/sofa surfing population in my nearest city and a significant proportion of them seem to have some degree of learning difficulty or MH issue. I can imagine they're quite frustrating to have a, in depth conversation with but I wouldn't put their situation down to being lazy arses Hmm

Limitededition7inch · 07/12/2016 23:34

YANBU. Manchester for one has increased significantly in the last two years.

One of our friends works fairly high up for an organisation dealing with this; he says that the problem doesn't just lie with cuts but the actual logistics of rehousing people. I was quite surprised to hear that many don't actually want the help.

iremembericod · 07/12/2016 23:34

The issues are beyond the lack of housing. It's a lack of mental and social care.

I agree with this part of the post. I had many people who would prefer to go on the streets than go in the dangerous hostels - women in particular - it was safer to sleep in a park than risk rape and attack in the hostels.

Also, because so many of these people have failed at maintaining bills and house management stuff, the street does become more appealing. It is stress free in that way.

So toxic mix of mental health issues, horrific self esteem, 'failure at living' occurs and even when offered housing, people feel unable to take on the stress.

Many a time I heard people say "I think I'd prefer to go homeless' rather than deal with the mounting home pressures of bailiffs etc.

I think we can all empathise with wanting to run away sometimes. This is that in the extreme.

YelloDraw · 07/12/2016 23:34

It's very easy to skip through the cracks - especially if you have menatal heath issues and no family support.

7SunshineSeven7 · 07/12/2016 23:36

MycatsaPirate As I pointed out before, the Salvation Army shouldn't be donated to. They are extremely homophobic and there are other worthwhile charities to give your money to.

Gran22 · 07/12/2016 23:38

I worked in housing for some years, including interviewing people who presented as homeless. The reasons for rough sleeping are very complex and varied. For some, a bed sit or flat would be enough. The ones who lived reasonably 'normal' lives prior to family or relationship breakdown or redundancy can probably pick up the pieces fairly well. But I've seen resources used on some, over and over again, where the responsibility of a tenancy is just too much, as soon as intensive support is reduced, the situation breaks down, and the person is on the street again. Alcohol, drugs, and the biggie, poor mental health all contribute to homelessness, as does lack of family support.

There is a project in this city that helps homeless people with food, clothes, showers, medical and dental services. They help people access housing, but not everyone wants what is available. They survive on donations, and every year people fill shoeboxes as Christmas gifts for the homeless, and have sleep outs to raise money. There is affordable housing in northern parts, but if someone has been evicted with substantial arrears, they'll find it difficult to get anywhere unless they are classed as 'vulnerable' only then do local authorities have a statutory duty to find them accommodation, which could be a hostel or a b&b.

The proportion of non UK citizens that are homeless is also contributing to the rise in numbers, especially in London.

iremembericod · 07/12/2016 23:40

My last post made it sound like people are 'choosing' homelessness but that is not what I mean.

When you have mounting pressure to pay bills from landlords, utilities whatever, an immediate (but obviously not logical) solution to this is to just give it all up. Fuck it. Especially when you have mental illness, and most people do when they have been unemployed for more than 6 months. Yes most people will have some form of depression or mental illness having being unemployed for more than 6 months.

Unemployment is seriously bad for your health.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 07/12/2016 23:40

Mycat that's useful info, thanks. Is that widely known in housing depts at LA level?

AntiqueSinger · 07/12/2016 23:40

They sanction people with children all the time. I have seen single parents with babies requiring nappies sanctioned and having to make a choice between nappies and food with their last £12 quid. Frankly it should be illegal to sanction anyone with dependants like young children or disabled family members to care for until an investigation is completed. 9/10 times they are reinstated on benefits weeks or months down the line.

heartskey · 07/12/2016 23:45

Benefit cuts, sanctions, food banks, bedroom tax....all seem to be part of a long term sinister plan. The government will have known that all this combined would result in homelessness. I wonder what their reasons are....

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Livelovebehappy · 07/12/2016 23:46

But what can be done? There isn't enough money going into our NHS or education or affordable housing; the pot is empty. There are hundreds of families in every city on waiting lists for housing, living in temporary accommodation, so where is this extra housing for the homeless going to come from? I'm not saying the above justifies leaving people to live on the streets, but really can't see a solution. And to those people saying it was never like this under labour - what did a Labour government do to resolve the homeless situation?

HalfShellHero · 07/12/2016 23:46

Where do people with dependants turn after sanctions?

heartskey · 07/12/2016 23:50

I think it's foodbanks halfshell

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PinkCrystal · 07/12/2016 23:53

I agree that this is a consequence of a nasty blaming rhetoric and a Tory Government.

As for the comments from microsnake, I also work with the vulnerable and people with disabilities and haven't met anyone that just 'couldn't be bothered to work'. Nobody would choose to do so, work is a doddle compared.

GiddyOnZackHunt · 07/12/2016 23:55

heart this govt are by and large people who come from money. They just believe in their DNA that they are worthy and worthy people deserve to be comfortable. They don't want to think that poverty is anything other than willful. There are some (David Davis) who weren't born rich. But they think that they did it so it can be done.

changeznameza · 07/12/2016 23:56

Hi, I volunteer with a charity that serves a free meal to homeless people once a week in a local hall. Other services are provided eg food toiletries and sleeping bags are distributed. I help prepare the meal during the day when my dc are at school and when I can get a babysitter I help to serve the meal in the evenings.

If anyone really wants to help directly I cannot recommend this kind of volunteering highly enough. I get so much out of it. On paper I don't have time for this kind of thing, but I wouldn't give it up even though it gives me logistical headaches. Yeah it doesn't solve the problems but it does help in a small way, it really does.

You could also start something like a collection of used but clean bedding / sleeping bags / mens coats at your dc's school and take the donations to a charity. All these things just need one person to organise them and you will be making a difference.

woowoowoo · 07/12/2016 23:59

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PickAChew · 08/12/2016 00:00

Plenty of money not supporting vulnerable people's lives, live. The government funds a lot more than education and the NHS.

Having people failing to fit in with the system is actually really bloody expensive - much better to help them to fit in. Like with other situations, part of the problem i no one departnent being willing to accept that something is entirely their remit. It's either not a health or welfare but a mental health issue. Or it's not a mental health issue, but a social care issue. Of [visibly unwell person's] issues are nothing to do with mental health but just plain laziness that needs sanctioning....

Clandestino · 08/12/2016 00:03

Rents in my area are so high, they're even higher than during the boom times. We would pay three times the price we do for our mortgage if we were renting our house.
It's horrendous. Me and DH earn relatively well but how can people who are on much lower salaries afford the mortgage? They will never get the approval. So they have to rent, spending all their money on it. It's a vicious circle and so open for failure it's scary.
Even working people can find themselves out on the street nowadays. Then you have people from families hit by addiction, abuse. They never had the chance. Children chewed up by the social system and spat out on the street once they hit 18, with little education and cop on how to live a normal life.
I'm not a bleeding heart. But I believe that respect towards others goes a long way in helping others to help themselves. Everybody deserves a shelter and food. Everybody should be offered a chance to get out of the shit they are in. Shelter and food should be basic rights in our society, with no questions asked. Even though when the last homeless guy asked me to buy him tea in a nearby shop, I had a question. How many sugars.

Hidingtonothing · 08/12/2016 00:06

I'm seeing daily appeals on FB for clothing, sleeping bags etc from my local homelessness charities, have bagged a load of stuff up tonight as it happens. It's a horrendous and immensely complicated problem, I wish I knew what the solution was 😕

woowoowoo · 08/12/2016 00:07

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DarkNanny · 08/12/2016 00:11

No council houses they got sold off private property investors get houses paid for by our taxes via housing benefit, there is a big issue with HmO s councils really don't like them where I am as they change the demographics of the area, (think streets and streets of thousands of student)
Anti homeless spikes on shop fronts closing and lack of funding for support and harder to change once you are in that spiral... welcome to Austerity Britain

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