The reason young people can't afford to buy houses

[GrabtharsHammer]

Is because they all have iPhones and Sky telly.

So sayeth my mother.

Nothing at all to do with the ridiculous house prices then? They are baby boomers and bought their first house for a few thousand quid on my dads modest salary.

Apparently the youth of today just need to get rid of their gadgets and telly subscriptions and then they will easily afford a deposit and mortgage.

Are everyone's parents this judgemental and out of touch or am I just particularly lucky?

(Fairly lighthearted) AIBU?

My room was taken over the day after I moved out to uni (the first in my family to go to uni) because we were overcrowded so my sister had my room. When i came back from uni I spent 18 month sleeping on the sofa until my sister moved out to uni then I was back in that room. I also didn't go.back home because it just isn't the done thing in the very working class area I'm from. It took some convincing my parents.

I can't find any ONS figures on social class and leaving home, but the Demographic trends study says that middle class children on average leave home earlier than working class children, and that girls leave home earlier than boys.

I'm not necessarily saying it's the norm. Just saying what my personal experience is. I imagine it has changes in recent years. I know the expectation where I come from is that you tarted earning and left home pretty much as soon as you left school because that's what our parents and their parents did. However I imagine that was largely because getting into scoail housing was much easier back then. I was born in 1985 when my mum had been living in a council maisonette since she was 16.
I appreciate that the culture has had to change because that isnt possible now.

Bloody typos. I can smell honest.

Spell... I can spell. Ffs

Frikadela, I was actually responding to a previous poster, so not disputing your experience of a local area.

But no, I'm talking about long term demography, so not a recent change, other than an increase in people living at home.

There is regional variation, and I reckon there will definitely be variation between ethnic groups.

I can smell honest.

Nobody is telling them that Caryl. There are huge challenges people in care face and there needs to be greater support for them. Obviously one way Social Services use is placing care leavers with older adults or families.

Various people on this thread have been talking about teenagers,

Yes, with age the number of people living with parents drops, obviously.

It's obvious to anyone who reads up on the schemes currently in place for care leavers.

And about half of 20-24 year olds do live at home, and they are adults.

In MN world, every 20-something is supposed to simultaniously "move to where the work is and not expect a job to land in their lap in their home town" while at the same time "not expect to move out of home into their own rental as soon as they turn 18, and live with their parents so they can save for a deposit"

I'm not cherrypicking or assuming people's circumstances are the same.

I'm discussing general trends.

I'm glad you've moved your position from a 'few massively privileged' to 'half' and 'some.'

I met a young girl at the gym today who was 18 and had moved to London at 16 to be a professional ball room dancer and was taking part in competitions all over world, in Italy last week, Paris next. I expect the parents are paying but she was getting her arse to the airport and gym, lessons etc all by herself. I do think young people are more capable than they are given credit for, they really just need parents money to get them started. That was always the case

It is very hard indeed for yhoung people in Southern cities. It is not that hard in other places if you have two professional salaries and buy before you have children which is the wisest thing and put off children until you have bought somewhere.

In my family people went into service at 13+ as families could not afford all the children at home - that was norm except the rich, in the past. You could not afford the extra mouths at home. I am not saying that was fun either - working like that for decades and then out on your ear with no home or job when you got old. Tied accommodation housed you (it is what we started married life in actually - I slept on a mattress on the floor when pregnant in it too but that was a long time ago when some women ilke I am had 2 weeks holiday for maternity leave and then back full time.

I am not sure what use it is to compare yourself to others ever, either people your age or people who are older or younger as it never makes people happy. If you can just look at your own situation and do the best you can you tend to be happier. There will always be people better and worse off than most of us.

If you have two in ac ouple before babies earning £25k a year each (not an impossible sum) you can borrow about £100k which will get you somewhere in most parts of the country. This £80k house is very similar to the one my mother's mother rented (they could not of course afford to buy back then). www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/42308103?search_identifier=b5983d51d23afe2dc08e856cfd480eb0#QswpcJ13YiqpJPSR.97
and this £130k is almost the same (but much nicer inside and done up that my father's father bought and he had to wait until almost 50 to have my father to be able to afford children back in the 1920s www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/36045660?search_identifier=47dae9634c287a80a1735bf398ae6c15#3fHO2TxHCScrpW63.97

Then we move to where my son has bought if you move down here n the SE (on very edge of London tube but far out so expensive commute if you worked in London although plenty do it - 2 bed flat www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-57797489.html about £235k.

And your wish to use the word privileged to describe the situation of many ordinary young people is a personal choice. It has nothing to do with ignorance.

It's not what I think is defined by the word privileged.

I'd love to see all the threads if everyone under 30 started expecting to live at home at cut prices so they could save a deposit. AIBU would actually blow up with people declaring that they are adults and should move out and stand on their own two feet, don't you know we did at that age!

Well that already did happen on the Brexit threads.

They were full of people saying how dare these Northern and Welsh people want to live with family in badly paid jobs. The Polish all move for work, why don't they?

It was kind of a repeat of the eighties 'get on your bike and look for work' sentiment.

Ha! I get that all the time Maxwell, "your dad's parents kicked him out and he had for fend for himself", like that's the pincacle of good parenting. I'm 21 btw.

I have discussed individual cases to illustrate general trends.

I am also talking about people.

And I'm not far right. I'm left wing.

You seem to be making this very personal.

And I don't agree with the social justice warrior redefining of the word privilege, because I prefer a human rights framework. So housing is a human right not a privilege. The right to family life is a human right not a privilege. A safe and caring home environment as a child and young person is a human right not a privilege.

It doesn't mean I'm ignorant or right wing.