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To feel that this is an inappropriate way of providing feedback

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Brokenbiscuit · 26/11/2016 08:13

DD has recently started secondary school and is in year 7. So far, she is settling in really well and we're mostly very happy with the school.

However, there doesn't appear to be much consistency with regard to the marking of work (both classwork and homework). Each teacher has their own approach. The French teacher seems to mark regularly and thoroughly. The maths teacher gets the kids to mark their own work and then tell him their results. The geography teacher gives verbal feedback and makes the kids write it down. All acceptable approaches in my view. The English teacher has marked nothing and given no feedback of any sort on classwork or homework since the start of term. Not acceptable in my view. And then there is history.

The history teacher gives each child a single page of A4 to stick in their books, the same sheet for everyone. The sheet highlights common errors and misconceptions (fine), reminds students of presentation requirements (also fine) and then lists students who have done well and students whose work is "cause for concern". This looks like public humiliation to me, and I'm struggling to see how it's OK.

DD received the first sheet for her class yesterday. Her understanding was that it covered everything they had done since the start of term, not just one piece of work. Her name was listed in a box called "praise", along with around five other kids. There was no indication of what they were being praised for or what they had done well - just a general "well done", which is nice but not particularly helpful for the future. Then there were two names listed in a box called "cause for concern", with a comment that their work wasn't of Set 1 standard.

AIBU to feel that this is grossly unfair for the poor kids who have their names publicly listed in the "cause for concern" box? I feel very uncomfortable about it; DD is not bothered, however. Her view is that she would rather have feedback of this nature than none at all, and she says that teachers might make verbal comments in class about a poor standard of work that all of the other kids would hear anyway. I asked her if she would be upset to see her own name listed in that box, and she said that she would, but more because of the poor feedback rather than any public humiliation.

AIBU to feel that this kind of naming and shaming is unacceptable? Or am I being precious and is this just an efficient way of providing feedback and keeping the kids on their toes?

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FloweryTwat · 26/11/2016 11:55

I agree scent, however I don't think it ever works as a motivation tool.

Haggisfish · 26/11/2016 12:12

Yes, if ever I did use something like this in my lesson, I would not name the lowest achievers. Ever. Much rather use a carrot than a stick.

Scentofwater · 26/11/2016 12:32

Oh absolutely, I don't think it would ever be a good thing, but I guess I was trying to say that I a school setting it's even worse!

Scentofwater · 26/11/2016 12:32

*in a

Trifleorbust · 26/11/2016 12:44

Scentofwater: I was just responding to the view that this would always be unacceptable in a workplace. The reality is, it wouldn't always be unacceptable. And I don't think it is great here but I think there is a bit of hyperbole about the issue on the thread. Sometimes telling students that their work isn't good enough because they haven't made enough effort is fine.

FloweryTwat · 26/11/2016 13:25

Yes it is trifle, being publicly critical is always unacceptable in a workplace. It may happen, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea!

Sorry, scent yes I agree with you, I didn't think you were saying it would be okay in a work setting. Smile

Trifleorbust · 26/11/2016 13:45

FloweryTwat: I'm not really disagreeing but I don't think it is in any way as cut and dried as you think at work. There are lots of workplaces where someone will, realistically, be critical of your work if you do not meet targets. I am not saying that's great but you won't always be able to bring some almighty legal action against them for it. It's part of real life. Anyway, it's not really relevant to this situation - my point is that the argument that this isn't acceptable at school because it would never be considered acceptable at work isn't valid, because lots of people would consider it acceptable at work for someone to be told in front of others that they needed to do something differently.

Tomselleckhaskindeyes · 27/11/2016 00:31

Sets don't give out specific data, books are specific to the child and are not for everyone to read. The child's own work will be put on the wall with permission. Specific feedback for each child being published does breach data protection.

Jellymuffin · 27/11/2016 07:14

At parents evening we cover the results as parents only really care about how their child is doing in relation to others regardless of their individual academic ability. It leads to uncomfortable conversations that you really can't be bothered with at 7pm at night when you only have 5 minutes per parent and have been at work since 7.30 that morning. It's NOTHING to do with 'data protection'. What a ridiculous thought.

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