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To think this is an obscene amount for the queens home.

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heartskey · 18/11/2016 22:41

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/18/buckingham-palace-to-undergo-370m-refurbishment
Its all right for some isn't it. Sod the rest of us, we're just the mugs paying for it. What a bloody burden this family are.

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LaurieMarlow · 21/11/2016 15:38

This one for a start. www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/southport-hospitals-150k-chief-executive-12075945

Firstly, that's clearly a mistake. No one would argue that was the intended use of that public money. A poor hire that went wrong. It happens. Secondly, it's a drop in the ocean compared to what we give the royals.

Temporaryname137 · 21/11/2016 15:40

Heartskey, if you want to talk about charity, these people reckon the queen has caused £1.4bn to be given to charity: www.cafonline.org/

The royal family support about 2,500 different charities.

The cold hard economics are that the mere presence of the queen at a charity function will raise far more than you giving something to someone in a shop doorway, however much you think your morals are superior to hers.

How are you going to replace that in your new state?

chilipepper20 · 21/11/2016 15:45

Odd example. He got 150k/year (which, if he did it reasonably is not much for a CEO, and significantly less than what we give the RF), and was sacked for misconduct.

I don't think that example makes your case.

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heartskey · 21/11/2016 15:45

Huge salaries go to all sorts of public servants
I think they'd have to perform rather well for those huge salaries, I really couldn't see them getting the post with skills like....being willing to shake hands with lots of people, go on free world tours, have access to free private travel.sign some important looking papers, I could go on and on but you get the drift. The queen only needed one qualification to get her job....be born.

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chilipepper20 · 21/11/2016 15:47

How are you going to replace that in your new state?

with the duchies and the sovereign grant. She can still help out if she wants of course as "Queen". She'll probably charge a fee for it though.

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heartskey · 21/11/2016 15:57

Temporary the queens worth an estimated £365 million. She applied for a heating grant from the old folks heating fund. She pays her staff the national minimum wage. Please don't imply she's got a heart of gold. Her support of charities is nothing more to than giving their name to them. She hardly had to lift a finger. The charity functions that you mention often pay far more to the company than to the actual people in need.
You'll be telling me next that the queen is concerned about the poverty facing so many in the UK today.

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chilipepper20 · 21/11/2016 15:57

Oh that's comical. A great example of the Queen is so great inflated figures. If you go to the CAF website and read about this figure, that's the total amount charities she is patron to raise. But, there is (of course!) no mention of how she helped, or how much these charities would have raised in her absence. That's not the estimated extra she brought in.

I am not trying to diminish her role. Yes, it's great she works for charities. But let's keep the numbers and rhetoric on planet earth.

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heartskey · 21/11/2016 16:01

however much you think your morals are superior to hers
well now you mention it, yes I think they probably are. But you obviously think the queen is superior to all of us.

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Temporaryname137 · 21/11/2016 16:03

I don't give a shit if she has a heart of ice and concrete, heartskey, the simple fact is that she does more for charity than you could ever do, however much your heart bleeds. (I don't know what you do for the homeless, it could be loads, it could be chucking them the odd pound coin or sandwich, but it is quite often the case that the people who bang on the most about the needy are the ones who do sod-all except bang on.)

This money that we pay to the RF seems to be stretched out awfully thinly here. Now it's going to replace all the money that the RF raise for charities as well as everything else covered on here? Are they magic fivers?!

Temporaryname137 · 21/11/2016 16:06

Hahaha, I've already made it perfectly plain that I really don't care too much about the monarchy one way or the other. Purely personal view: I like Anne. I quite like the Queen and William and Harry. I can't bear Charles or Edward or Kate.

How many more times do I have to say it? I see a system that currently works fairly well. It could be improved. But to risk meddling with it, I would need to be convinced that the change would be an improvement. If you still haven't got that from my posts, the only charitable assumption is that you simply aren't reading them!

derxa · 21/11/2016 16:08

but it is quite often the case that the people who bang on the most about the needy are the ones who do sod-all except bang on Yes

BeckerLleytonNever · 21/11/2016 16:11

I thought times were hard which is why services and funding are being cut to the bone. But we've luckily found £350 million down the back of the sofa so hooray!

^^Thia and many more posts.

so they bring a lot in tourism. woopy doo.

then the bloody tourists caN PAY FOR IT, BETTER STILL, THE ROYALS CAN BLOODY PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES.

meanwhile I cant afford to put the heating on and were freezing, going to food banks, and more millions of people living rough on the streets and hospitals and care homes closing.

but no, the royals come firsdt. fucking as bad as the fucking government.

chilipepper20 · 21/11/2016 16:18

The list goes on and on.

so, is the argument that we flush away tons of public money, so there is no reason not to give even more to the royal family?

By all means, let's make sure we get value for our money. Let's look at that list. That's what I want. and if 150,000 gets your goat (which is probably less than a pence per tax payer!) how much does 60 or a hundred times that make you feel?

chilipepper20 · 21/11/2016 16:19

Now it's going to replace all the money that the RF raise for charities as well as everything else covered on here? Are they magic fivers?!

as magic as the 1.4B she "caused" to go to charity.

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heartskey · 21/11/2016 16:20

Calm down temporary no need to lose it because you're losing.
Why do monarchists always come out with the ridiculous statement "I bet she does more for charity than you do" I can so easily say, "I bet I do more for her than she does for me, ie help to fund her life style.

She's getting millions a year, living a life of massive privilege, damn right she'll be doing more for charity than I could. She's giving her name to charities, it's nothing to her, the effort she puts into it is minimal. Why the hell shouldn't she do that. They have to do something to justify their position

I know people who go round soup kitchens every night giving up their time and money, they are the people I admire for their charity, not the queen putting her pen to paper.
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But come on let's have it right, the rest of the country pay for her keep, does she do that for us.?

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LaurieMarlow · 21/11/2016 16:20

Derxa, you do understand that those guys get that money for doing a job that they had to compete for against others for and have to continually prove they're delivering within, don't you?

And that that's a bit different to the RF?

derxa · 21/11/2016 16:23

Derxa, you do understand that those guys get that money for doing a job that they had to compete for against others for and have to continually prove they're delivering within, don't you? Grin

Temporaryname137 · 21/11/2016 16:26

Um. It's really not me who's losing it, OP. All you have done so far is flail around and make ridiculous far fetched angry comments. When/ if I see just one sensible and well-reasoned post, I will be pleasantly surprised.

I volunteer at a homeless hostel and a soup kitchen. I also host charity tea parties for local elderly people who have no local friends or family and I am a trustee of a different charity that helps deprived children. It takes up a lot of my time, which I don't have much of as a full-time worker and parent. So thanks for your admiration and all, but I still think charities would miss the queen a metric fucktonne more than they would miss my efforts!

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heartskey · 21/11/2016 16:26

derxa I don't understand the relevance, so because of that we can justify throwing more at the royals? Why not throw more to the sick and needy.

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Florathefern · 21/11/2016 16:29

I am actually quite looking forward to the day Charles and Camilla take over when we won't have people justify them for their war effort, working 'so hard' for so long etc. Let's hope they do all the refurbishment they need now!

Temporaryname137 · 21/11/2016 16:34

All this "stop paying the RF, pay it everywhere else" does have a strong whiff of the infamous brexit NHS claim about it, somehow.

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heartskey · 21/11/2016 16:39

I think all my comments have been perfectly reasonable temporary
Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make it less so. But obviously you have opposite views so to you they probably are, you think my comments are "ridiculous" but then I think yours are. Many many on here agree with me anyway.

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chilipepper20 · 21/11/2016 16:42

All this "stop paying the RF, pay it everywhere else" does have a strong whiff of the infamous brexit NHS claim about it, somehow.

in what way?

derxa · 21/11/2016 16:42

Derxa, you do understand that those guys get that money for doing a job that they had to compete for against others for and have to continually prove they're delivering within, don't you?
If you looked into the background of these 'guys' I don't think you'd find many 'men of the people' amongst them.

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