Farage v trump

[Beautifulbabyboy]

Friends of mine who voted for Brexit and Farage, are shocked and outraged that Trump has been elected in the USA. I am a bit about this... both employed racist and decisive arguments during their campaigns etc. Thoughts please?

Since when was voting leave voting for Nigel Farage?

They both make my skin crawl.

One of the first things I thought after Brexit was oh hell this paves the way for Trumpton just that little bit more. Everythings connects in ways we don't always appreciate at the time.

OP do you think Jeremy Corbyn voted or supported leavd because he is racist?

I am still thinking that Putin, Trump and Farage are some hideous characters from Family Man or American Dad etc. My head cannot compute that they are real and have any influence in the world, can't cope with it at all.

I think that Brexit helped pave the way for Trump; that's when he really thought he could do it, I think. Trump also seemed to mention it a lot.

In Nige's head, Creepy

I voted to leave the EU.

I am not American so obviously didn't vote in the us election. If i was American, I'd have definitely voted for Hilary.

There is an overlap in the sections of society that are attracted to the rhetoric of Farage and Trump, but the big picture is not that simple.

The Leave vote won for many reasons. Many, particularly older people felt that the EU in its current form was not what Britain had voted to join in 1971. Many feel the organisation is too large to operate effectively with so many different interests. Many feel that the UK has fared better by avoiding maximum integration with policies like the single currency and feared a one way system of greater political integration. There were many legitimate reasons to vote Leave without mentioning migration or Farage, and that's why the outcome was so bitter, because Leavers felt tainted by the assumption that they had bought into xenophobic values when many hadn't.

There was misinformation and xenophobic scaremongering from some of the Leave campaign, but that hasn't been as extreme as some of the rhetoric spouted during Trump's campaign, and that may have exceeded the boundaries of many people favourable to Farage's rhetoric.

Part of the political problems exposed in 2016 is that there are large sections of society feeling marginalised and they will vote for anyone claiming to represent their anti-establishment concerns, no matter who the candidate is and how unlikely they are to make a real difference to their lot in life.

Do your friends live in Thanet South OP? Otherwise they didn't vote for Farage.

derxa A brief read through the leave.eu facebook page demonstrates that there are clearly a lot of people who live no where near South Thanet but clearly did vote for Bexit because of Nigel Farage. He was a major influence on the leave vote (albeit unofficially) and despite the fact that some will have voted leave despite Farage, there are many who voted leave at least in part because of him. My fil is someone who I could very accurately say voted for leave and Farage. When those people claim disgust at Trumps election, I do find it

Op sadly the climate has hardly been one to encourage people to be open about their reasons for leaving the EU, if some one started to drill down into my reasons like posters do on here I would probably go quiet too, because its more of a sly interrogation, and you cant win really.

There has also been much debate on here about the difference between a group like the KKK endorsing you and like HC actually having a past KKK MEMBER being your mentor

Also comments from HC like the " super predator" in relation to the black community didn't go far to help her.
Farage is a fucking horrible demagogue, and I wish he hadn't walked away from that air crash; in the same way that it wouldn't have been a bad thing for Mussolini to be hanged from a lamppost twenty years before he was wow - what an appalling thing to say!

OP do you think Jeremy Corbyn voted or supported leavd because he is racist?

^^ not just him, John Macdonnel etc - highly likely they all voted leave, re racism, its hard to say because Labour is fighting its own battles within - racism.

There were many legitimate reasons to vote Leave without mentioning migration or Farage, and that's why the outcome was so bitter, because Leavers felt tainted by the assumption that they had bought into xenophobic values when many hadn't

being concerned about volume of immigration is not racist. we have even had church leaders coming out to press this point home.

its conflating this concern with being racist that has caused much bitterness on both sides.

Could be worse could have voted stay and got Hilary . Every cloud has a silver lining. Both results are much more aligned to the political class slagging off and not understanding the electorate

both employed racist and divisive arguments

Yes.

But, there was far more at play in both a vote for Brexit & a vote for Trump.

To reduce & oversimplify to the extent you have, only serves to blind you to the wider context & issues/arguments.

Problem is Yabbadabba those in protest against the 'political class' in both scenarios have voted for incredibly establishment figures masquerading as anti establishment.

but I wouldn't vote for either of them.

Trump is certainly no career politician,likebi say as long as the liberal left tags everyone who disagrees as racist, uneducated and worthless they will be consigned to history, which is a great thing imo