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Armistice remembrance

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Itisnoteasybeingdifferent · 11/11/2016 11:05

I am saddened that whilst we stood in remembrance, the traffic carried on and people seemed to ignore the time..

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OhtoblazeswithElvira · 13/11/2016 13:59

So many perfect people on MN today Hmm

WLF46 · 13/11/2016 14:07

Not everyone listens to the radio all the time or has their eye on the clock. You can't expect everyone to know that it's 11am exactly and they must stop whatever they're doing (especially if driving).

Observing a two minute silence does not make a person a good person. The way they conduct themselves the rest of the time does that.

honeylulu · 13/11/2016 14:13

I was at the gym and it was business as usual. I stayed quiet but there was no announcements and no-one acknowledged it. I was a bit shocked.
I'm wondering if some organisations do the two minute silence for actual Armistice day only rather than also on remembrance Sunday?

randomsabreuse · 13/11/2016 14:15

I'm ashamed to admit I was still driving at the 2 minute silence on 11/11. Had planned to arrive much earlier and got stuck in traffic. Was looking for somewhere safe to pull over from when it became apparent I would get to my destination just after (Satnav said eta 10.58 for ages) but didn't see anything in the last 10 minutes so kept going until parked.

ElizaSchuyler · 13/11/2016 14:18

I always think of Armistice Day as being secular & Remembrance Sunday as being the church service so religious.

MistressDeeCee · 13/11/2016 14:27

Nothing to do with "perfection" and "good", is it? Scorn of thoughtfulness is saddo territory. People can observe or not as they choose, no need to make excuses for not being able to spare 120 seconds once a year when actually in a position to do so tho

petitpois55 · 13/11/2016 14:30

Mistress, i don't make excuses for not stopping.i certainly could have. I was sitting in a cafe. I simply choose not to, as did plenty of other people around me.

FledglingFTB · 13/11/2016 14:47

I've just realised I was at the till in B&Q when this happened. Had no idea of the time as my phone had died.

I've only realised since because the check out person was really snotty with me and I honestly couldn't figure out why, also thought it was odd that the person before me was lurking at the till. I

wish someone had just said, there was no tannoy announcement or anything. I feel so awful.

Notso · 13/11/2016 15:01

I respect the right to chose to observe the silence or not, my Grandpa fought as a paratrooper and would have nothing to do with Armistice Day or Remembrance Sunday.
However, I was annoyed at the parade today by people who had made the choice to go to the memorial, buy and wear a poppy and chatted and laughed through the whole thing.

witsender · 13/11/2016 16:32

What does piss me off more, is the people who think remembering 'properly' once a year for 2 minutes makes them worthy somehow. What about the rest of the year? How much support and consideration do they give to veterans etc then?

I consider myself a good person. I work hard for a charity, am.active in my community including helping the RBL. I also forgot the 2 minute silence because I was working 'silently' at said charity. But I live the majority of my life in a 'worthy' fashion so won't be looked down on by someone who managed to think of others for 2 minutes.

user1478551766 · 13/11/2016 18:47

Its quite depressing and chilling that people can't plan in advance to simply stop for 2 minutes. TWO minutes, that is all! If you stop "doing" the world won't end

Chilling? WTF is wrong with you? You think everyone should stop what they are doing for 2 mins, because you think its important....should the midwife stop bothering to deliver someones baby for 2 mins silence? Should a officer stop chasing a criminal for 2 mins? Should the care worker stop looking after her charge to stand still?
Don't be so bloody ridiculous. A great number of people can't simply stop what they are doing, even if they want to. And they don't have to want to at all.

The sanctimonious feckers on here with their competitive observance,you are SO missing the point. But hey, as long as you get a little glow of how good you are, thats all that matters.

petitpois55 · 13/11/2016 19:00

chilling Psml Grin

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/11/2016 19:04

I choose to respect the 2 minutes silence and I respect the right of others not to. However I expect those who don't to respect my choice and not speak to me during the 2 minutes and understand that, if they do, I will ignore them.

anotheronebitthedust · 13/11/2016 20:49

andrewfogg - why does your way have to be right and your clerk's wrong?

Why can't you accept that you chose to do it one way, and it worked out fine, and she would have chosen to do it a slightly different way, which would also have been a perfectly valid way of remembering.

It's not as though she said you shouldn't mark the occasion at all - just that you should do it somewhere else. Some people find it more solemn to take a few minutes reflection away from their workspace/in the fresh air/with a larger crowd of people/on their own. Most of the people in my office went outside to mark a minutes silence for Aberfan recently - it felt more momentous to physically go somewhere else to reflect rather than sit at our desks.

Why so judgey about such a minor detail?

BusyBeez99 · 15/11/2016 22:29

It's a small town with a war memorial and a service at 11am with cannon. The people in charge stop the vehicles. It's not the M25

OhGodWhatTheHellNow · 15/11/2016 23:21

WW1 makes me so bloody angry - all those millions dead just for some bloody family feud dressed up in politics, causes and nationalism. They give conscription and jingoistic duress the veneer of noble sacrifice, like mothers really chose to send their sons into the mincer, and then they screw up the post-war arrangements so badly it all has to be done again 20 years later.
Just the thought of someone taking my boy for something so bloody pointless...

That's what was going through my mind for 2 minutes. I bet I looked really solemn.

mimishimmi · 16/11/2016 03:28

40 million Europeans died in WW2

MrsTerryPratchett · 16/11/2016 03:43

Is it me or have people got more forceful about Armistice Day recently?

This is the first year I haven't worn a poppy. I gave some money but won't wear one during this period of movement to the right, 'celebration' of conflict and forceful policing of other people's observance.

I think it's part of a larger issue. A worrying issue. One of nationalism, expectations of compliance and obedience and a nasty 'us and them' mentality.

I'll remember in my own way.

mimishimmi · 16/11/2016 04:23

" expectations of compliance and obedience"

It's all about this.

petitpois55 · 16/11/2016 14:45

Also very much a sheep mentality, about wearing a poppy, and standing in silence etc.

I have noticed that year on year there is a marked decrease of people wearing red poppies though. I guess that's for a whole variety of reasons. I was out in Sunday for most of the day, and it was really apparent then.

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