To wonder why people think a vote for elite privileged billionaire businessman like Donald Trump is a strike for the little guy (or gal).

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www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

I found the above article very interesting and am wondering how he was able to avoid being laughed at with his portrayal and focus on someone else's dealings while ignoring the beam in his own eye.

It is my 'suspicion' that no one is as successful or does the type of deals in his circles without greasing the correct 'city hall' or political fixers. The above article says 'markers' are used. An IOU for a return favour. Other people, never mind people from the 'rust' bowl, have never been his concern. He doesn't even seem to pay his fair share of taxes which fund basic state services, never mind being a community worker.

His talk of jobs for Americans is ironic seeing as how there was an issue with his hiring of illegal Polish workers who were receiving one sixth of the going rate for legit workers. He blamed everyone else.

"Yet one F.B.I. informant testified that he had warned Trump of the presence of the Polish brigade and had told him that if he didn’t get rid of them his casino license might not be granted."

He seems to have cheated on Ivana since 1984 and didn't divorce for quite a while after.

Yet he was throwing so much mud at Hillary Clinton. How come his glass house wasn't completely broken with the level of hypocrisy. I wonder if it is true that establishment sided with him insofar as the media moguls bought stories but didn't print them to save him.

I guess this was the same in Brexit referendum. The elite business chiefs and media moguls manipulated an unquestioning public susceptible to their influence. Murdoch, Dacre, Arron Banks. Big business owners like Wetherspoons etc. (who I presume don't go out of their way to pay higher wages to attract a local workforce and take from a cheaper foreign pool). I know people supporting Leave did so much research they were all questioning why the referendum was only advisory. It was interesting that Dyson is keen on May to make it easier for Indian workers to come to the UK. Considering Dyson moved manufacturing out of the UK to avail of cheaper wages abroad. It would be my suspicion he is hoping to bring in global workers as they may not be as expensive. It would be form considering the manufacturing move. It is not ordinary UK workers who are going to be reaping the benefits of brexit.

And considering Farage kept bringing his passport out as his life's concern, he is quick to voice his desire to adopt a foreign nationality and serve a foreign Government. He didn't seem to be arsed to do anything as a UK MEP. I'll wager he'll scrupulously pick up any payments and pensions the UK will have to cough up for their former EU personnel, though.

Wandering vent over.

I think he might make things better in the short term if he gets his way. He's going to borrow lots more money and spend it on infrastructure, employing lots of pure bloods to do it presumably. And he's going to cut trillions off tax bills for ordinary people. The problem is that people fall for this and don't think long term.

And Media Moguls who use distorted spin to influence public opinion

Whilst media plays a big part in the wheels and cogs of society and culture, I think its naive and more over - dangerous to right peoples genuine grievances off and belittle them by telling them, they read it all in the paper.
Its simply not true.

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winterisnigh, so the media go to talk to people about their grievances and then after careful analysis give a reflective balanced and analytical report on these and their true causes.

I think the Sun and Hillsborough is a good example of dangerous journalism.

Papers like the Mail have been printing spin about the EU and blaming it for the UK's woes in it for years. Even if the cause was gov't policy and how they interpreted and implemented things in certain ways. This has been very handy for governments to dodge their failures.

I think it is very dangerous to underestimate the influence of news media on public opinion and how difficult it can be to reach the truth when spin creates the perceived reality and incorrectly allocates blame.

I don't know why you falsely try to associate any questioning of cynical and agenda driven reporting by certain media and automatically link it to belittling peoples real grievances. See, you managed a little spin right there. Murdoch, Dacre et al are not in power business to uninterestedly give a voice to the people's real grievances. Any more than the Sun cared about the reality at Hillsborough.

I am not saying there is not some wonderful journalism out there. Just that there is a lot of power and a lot of distortion spinning away.

Here's a hard-hitting rant on WhyTF Trump won..

Who is that guy, Strictly?

On one point, Trump is the privileged elite too.

I don't know, but he;s had a politico channel for ages apparently and this sort of summed up my thoughts and feelings about lots of things- Trump, Brexit, liberal smugness, things that, like he says, are difficult to say to liberally friends without insulting them.

Jonathan Pie - found it on twitter, if it helps.

They just said on Newsnight that Clinton was endorsed by 229 daily papers and Trump was endorsed by 9.

Which proves that lots of people don't trust the print media. Their minds are already made up. And what's making up their minds?

Social media, half-baked blogs, Internet conspiracy theories, and propaganda sites masquerading as online news portals. Trump's campaign manager ran one such site.

I don't think it is down to any one of these individual reasons. They've all contributed.

For me, the saddest part is that Hillary won the popular vote but not the electoral vote. A lot of the republican states are overrepresented in terms of how many electoral votes they get (and I say this as someone from a small very liberal state that probably would have barely one electoral vote if not for the rules of the minimum three!). That being said, Hillary failed to get Michigan and Pennsylvania (which have a good amount of electoral votes) which are normally democrat...so there is a lot to be said about how disillusioned people have got.

Donald Trump, a champion of the working class, though? Not sure I can buy that.

All we can do now is work to make sure that in 2018, we flip as many republican seats as possible to democrat. And vote in our local elections to change politics at a local level.

Think it shows how out of touch pols and politicians really are with the voters.
He won not because of what he is but what he promised. A change.

Change alright. Trade restrictions? Prices will go up - no more primark cheap stuff to be imported and everyone will be wanting the 'buy America' sticker in their stuff.

So America will open up factories and plants to make all the stuff? Err wages are higher than sat, China or India, raw material costs will be higher (because they can), so there won't be the jobs or the money to buy stuff. No cheap labour lured in from abroad either. I can't see how sticking two fingers up to the rest of the world re trade can get you negotiating good deals. Even in business.

And with the tax cuts, and people copying the orange man and avoiding taxes where and however possible, who will be paying for social security etc? Who will pay for the stupid bloody wall (I'm sure he will now say it wasn't an actual wall but a metaphorical one).

I've got flu just now, so my snot filled head hasn't managed to dredge up much of my uni economics from a million years ago, but that's just off the top of my (snot filled) head.

I am concerned about his cosying up to Putin. That man is a thug and very dangerous. Lord, even a generation ago Russia was the Big Bad but now they are all great, not aggressive or expansionist, oh no. I guess as long as they don't have the Communist label, they must be ok then.

Just thinking about the assertions that the media and all the press were against Trump. Assertions about them all being anti Trump (true a lie goes around the world before the truth has got out of bed). He has had Ca. 8 years of edited party political broadcasts to the US to rival a North Korean leader, in Celebrity Apprentice. Talk about a fantasy profile projection. On air but never questioned. Edited image of competent sage. A phoney advertisement.

The only time I have seen him being questioned without his own stage managed editing was in a documentary. I think it was by Michael Moore. Trump thought it was going to be an occasion to blow his own trumpet (sic). However the interviewer asked him a real question. About the shady goings on of some housing development and I think some mob connections. Trump went ape and asked him to get out of his office. Real analysis rather than a puff broadcast.

A chap described as a media baron and ex Goldman Sachs is his buddy. Steve Bannon may be appointed to a plum position to stand up for the people like himself who are not usually in positions of power and influence.

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/steve-bannon-donald-trump-breitbart-alt-right-president-elect-a7415556.html