New £23k Benefit Cap.

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AIBU to ask if anyone still supports this?

Which families is this targeted at?

Anyone who will be affected, is it even feasible to not be pushed into debt?

When on benefits you get a lot of childcare paid for Gingerivy and don't you think work experience with give some prospects. Or should people on benefits have no ambition and accept their lot?

crashdoll

I read this, after doing an extensive study into one of the areas.
We were looking at a couple of streets, of terraces in the NW, that's all.

This is the Rowntree link
www.jrf.org.uk/income-and-benefits

Sheldon, I am a nice, normal person not usually given to outbursts but you are a TIT.
Did you actually understand what you read? I KNOW I am in a group with an 'easier' route into benefits but I still had to present my self in a public place and describe very personal details about my illness.

This is part of the problem! The fact that this treatment is seen as OK and normalised!
I paid off my mortgage to keep a roof over my head which leaves me with exactly £436 per month for everything: gas/electric/water rates/food. Although I get my prescriptions free I still need an awful lot of supplementary stuff to manage my illness and just stay clean.
Millions of random families/singles are not stealing your taxes so they can lounge at home, they cannot get jobs that don't exist.

Social housing is vastly reduced (and didn't Maggies mates do well out of the London sell off). So more people than ever rent privately at much higher rents. So called affordable houses are being built but only the better off can afford them and they get to rent them out and THEY are the ones receiving the housing benefit. We have the lowest level of home ownership since the war.
There seems to be a determination to move the poor out of London.
We hear the poor being denigrated constantly and blamed for all the ills of the world. The poor didn't bring down the banks-bankers did that so why aren't they paying it back?
Our previous PM was less than truthful about his own tax arrangements so why would he look at his wealthy friends? Boots anyone?
Media all involved repeating the same old phrases and dancing attendance. Damian Collins appointed chair of Culture, Media & Sport Committee. Damian’s job will be to make sure the committee continues its crucial work of calling to account and overseeing the UK press and media in a rigorous and completely unbiased way -however his publisher (Harper Collins) is also owned by Murdoch.
Do you see the links now? Do you care? Or just prefer to have a whipping boy?

When on benefits you get a lot of childcare paid for Gingerivy and don't you think work experience with give some prospects. Or should people on benefits have no ambition and accept their lot?

In the spirit of Auntie Em, I can't tell you what I really think as it would violate Talk t&c.

www.gov.uk/help-with-childcare-costs/free-childcare-and-education-for-2-to-4-year-olds

wishforsnow Well, I'm Kate Middleton. Much like you, I can't prove it but I can say it.

I think if people read my links it would help

Port Please rtft and links Left Wing propaganda

Erm most of them are government links.

They should never have started with the scheme whereby you can buy your council house. Any areas still allowing this should be stopped. This social housing stock should be kept for those most in need, and people should move on when their circumstances improve, so that someone else can benefit from it. They also need to build more properties to replace the ones they've already sold.

Almost every reference to 'evidence' by those posting against those receiving benefits has been a reference to Murdoch/tory media or anecdata. Myself and others answering the other side of the debate have cited a variety of sources including this govts own data!

They? Do you mean councils? They are not allowed to build them. Instead the government wants them sold off and supposedly two 'affordable' homes built to replace each one. This has not happened.
Unfortunately there appears to be some debate over how much is affordable to who.

FYI In 1979, 42% of us lived in council homes. Today that figure is just under 8%.
By scrapping secure tenancies and bringing in a pay-to-stay scheme, the government’s new housing bill could mark the end of all social housing.

Ok this link is impartial
www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/articles/benefit-changes

full Fact The official data shows that the Blair and Brown governments built 7,870 council houses (local authority tenure) over the course of 13 years....with the record of Mrs Thatcher's government, which never built fewer than 17,710 homes in a year.

Not read all 12 pages of the thread but in a nutshell I think it's great.

Plenty of hard working people bring up families on far less than £23k and do just fine while also paying their taxes which partlygo to support people who actually have more than they do themselves!

People who cannot work due to ill health etc deserve all the help they need but for the majority there is no reason why they can't get a job.

Ahem the money advice service is a govt agency so definitely not impartial (no such thing as an impartial anything if written by humans that's why it's good to read from a variety of sources with differing agendas).

I don't support it. Didn't support the first cap and i certainly don't support the lowered cap.

I'm not a low earner either btw.

Manina you REALLY should read the whole thread.

Heard it all before.

I'm sick of working 16 hour days, weekends, staying away from home in the name of work to provide for my family only to have to hand over a huge chunk of cash every month to subsidise other people to stay at home in a house that I am partly paying for with the kids that they can't afford to raise themselves.

I don't blame the individuals in the slightest. If there were a system that gave me more money that I currently have and let me spend my days with my family then I would jump at it. The fact the system allows this to happen is what is wrong.

Apart from one poster, nobody has said benefits for the already vulnerable should be paid for and added to.

No one has said actually let's pay extra for these already disadvantaged kids.
We pretty much all agree the system is wrong.

The most extreme suggestion for the cap would be to not retro apply it.
So it can't be exploited by new people but doesn't punish the ones that will end up in crisis.

Still people want to bring up morality (children to different fathers) or fairness.

Willfully ignoring shit like this isn't fair.
Or moral.

Graphista my mistake so apologies.

Wilfully ignoring that for a large number of lower paid workers, it would make sense for them not to go to work isn't fair or moral. Under no circumstances should it be more beneficial to collect a lone parent or job seekers benefit than actually secure a job. The first step in getting on your feet in life is to get off your ass. If you want a roof over your head, clothes on your back and food in your tummy, you have a moral responsibility to earn it with honest toil, not putting your hand out. Too many people are sick of getting up at the crack of dawn and coming home after sunset only to find they're worse off than their neighbours who receive government handouts. Stop with the 'tax the CEOs, high taxpayers' lark because that's just deflecting. 1) if you tax the higher tax bracket too far, they'll just leave - and in some cases take their companies with them. A better use of energy would be global tax avoidance 2) Time limited social support works in Eastern Europe - the kids know if you don't work, you don't eat and have a strong work ethic 3) if your child is in crèche or school, you should either be working, in training or volunteering. I appreciate that circumstances change but that doesn't mean an open cheque from the taxpayer. It means you adjust your cloth to fit the budget. The government needs to stand up and take action on NRP but it's a case of pulling on your big girl panties and finding your path forward. The longer someone remains out of the workforce, the harder it is to get back in, so the sooner, the better.

I have been accused of being right wing. Ice never been a Tory or a kipper! I think this cap is a clumsy blunt instrument. However, the entitlement of some of the earlier posts really annoyed me. I've got a mortgage on average house, both work, two DCs. I fear unemployment because I could lose so much. My protection is minimal in the system.

What sort of engineer are you if you dont mind me asking?