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Am I wrong to offer an ultimatum? His family or us?

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IsItMeOrrrrr · 30/10/2016 19:34

My OH comes from a textbook enmeshed family and he absololoutly agrees. They have been awful to me but I don't take it personally as they hate all outsiders. All partners of their children are hated or under their thumb and still hated, all extended family members are conniving, and they literally have no friends.

They are seriously textbook. Someone is always sick. They on the verge of bankruptcy with a household income of around 150k but they guilt us for going on holiday. Gambling, alcohol, medication and drug addiction ALL exist in their house but it is denied and they spend their whole time judging and talking about others!

Anyway, I was NEVER going to be the daughter in-law for them and after years of insults towards me and accusations of me brainwashing their dear son, I decided I would basically stop seeing them except on occasion where it was for the kids. Mine or my OH's nephews.

My daughters birthday party has just passed and they 'couldn't' come. To put it into perspective, their dad has been to our house (less than an hour away) 3 times in 10 years! Once when my daughter was 3 months and my OH and I had a pretty big fall out. I looked outside and the dad had arrived to collect 'his' son and move him back 'home'. He did not check on me or his Granddaughter. Once when my OH and his Brother had a big fall out and I called the dad to come and calm the situation. That ended up in me being blamed for the whole thing and a whole host of accusations against me for using his son, brainwashing his son, trapping his son bla bla bla - I was 21 at the time. And one other time for his son's 30th!

Apparently the reason they couldn't come 'this' time was because the party was on the same day as their 29 year old sons birthday! He spends hardly any time at home and his birthday would have consisted of getting over a hangover, a happy birthday song and cake, potentially a takeaway and him off out again! Its also important to note that my daughters party was in the afternoon and finished at 3pm!

So my OH puts this out there and is told that he has to make more of an effort for his family. 98% of the time he has seen them in the last 10 years it has been his effort. He has dropped fortnightly visits to every 8 or so weeks. He says its a two way thing, and that's the extent of his 'dealing' with the situation.

They also have other grandchildren who visit them almost daily, and as a result, they make a lot of plans that my mine are never invited to be part of. Day trips, holidays etc.

The day after the party was a family event and his dad asks my OH to come over. I don't put any restrictions on them seeing my children but this time I said no!

I'm concerned about the lesson that gives them i.e. Run to people without question that don't make the effort for you, and this time as it was literally the day after my daughters birthday it felt like for once I couldn't let it slide.

My OH said he would still take them which resulted in a near tussle to stop him going through the door with my children.

I'm aware that my problem is him not them. He will eventually say sorry for his behaviour and get re-angry at them. To me he's pathetic and his weakness with his dad in particular makes me genuinely loose love for him. He has no backbone and he typical to an enmeshed family member he is riddled with guilt and fear. After this many years I just can't remain sympathetic with the fact he has been conditioned. He doesn't stand up for me but more importantly he doesn't stand up for our children. And, he's modelling something very wrong in the process.

I have been advised to finally give him an ultimatum. Them or us. And that doesn't mean not see them, but rather stand up to their bullshit and bullying. I have also been advised to stop the children from going to them until they make some effort to come to us and/or include them in their wider family activities.

My reluctance is the fact I know that they wont. This will all become about me (I'm strong enough to take it) and me trying to take him away from his family again. Their actions suggest that they don't give a shit about my children but rather 'their' son but still it feels wrong to stop my children's contact especially as my OH has cousins who they love. His brothers and sisters WILL ALL take the parents side.

One other part of me is also worried about the accusation of 'trying to take him away from his family'. Although I know it's not true, part of their conditioning has also rubbed off on me and has me doubting myself.

I would really appreciate some additional perspective's.

OP posts:
MorrisZapp · 31/10/2016 13:06

I'm still not clear what the shit is that they give your kids. Is it just their failure to come to your house?

These threads always confuse me. As a child, I wouldn't have thought to question why adults were or weren't at my house or why. Do they really get upset because their GPS don't come on their exact birthday? Don't they do extended family stuff? My parents are away pissing away my inheritance half the time, they regularly miss birthdays. DS doesn't notice.

0dfod · 31/10/2016 13:08

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TheNaze73 · 31/10/2016 14:31

Just be prepared, with any ultimatum, to get the answer you don't want.

I always think they are doomed

IsItMeOrrrrr · 31/10/2016 14:32

Thanks Odfod - I actually asked it to be moved here for traffic but I think I'll ask for it to be moved back.

Morris again quote "There is SOOOO much more of a back story with their treatment of me and my children". Naturally, I'm not going to state all of it here, and in and amongst a lot of other things I've said, it's odd that you seem to obsess over that one detail without considering the wider context.

The funny thing is I'm not really even a birthday person, they are!

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shovetheholly · 31/10/2016 15:21

Of course you're sick of it. Anyone would be! It's exhausting for you.

The problem is, though, that an ultimatum is likely to make him extremely stressed, because he just doesn't have the skills or the emotional support to be able to cope with having to face down either you or his family. And he will probably become angry and resentful at being put in such an uncomfortable position. Better to work on his assertiveness and self-esteem in counselling and then let him draw the boundaries. This doesn't mean that you do nothing - counselling may be quite a scary prospect for him and you may need to gently prod him there - it's just a different strategy.

I also think that when he is stronger and things more settled, you will need time yourself to deal with all the crap that this has put on you.

0dfod · 31/10/2016 18:42

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 31/10/2016 18:45

I can't see you moving forward as partners and a couple unless something changes, this stalemate is not doing either of you any good

Certainly not doing the DC any good.

Tusseling over them is not acceptable.

Bruce02 · 31/10/2016 18:58

My pil have never seen our kids on their exact birthday. Ds didn't see them until 2 months after his last birthday. When we went to them. It wouldn't occur to me to ban them from seeing the kids. And it doesn't bother the kids at all, because they see it doesn't bother us.

You keep saying they do stuff that makes your kids feel less. But aside from not coming on their birthday you won't say anything else.

I really don't think you should be creating like this when dh is trying to take them out. You say the kids want to see them. So what's the issue?

user1475796520 · 18/11/2022 08:26

i am absolutely astounded by the amount of people on here telling this woman to allow their children to see people who hate her. do you think that grandparents who hate the mother of their grandchild /children and is severely enmeshed with their adult child can truly be good for said grandchildren? yes he is their father but these children are not tools for daddy to use to appease his mommy and daddy that he never learned to have boundaries with. there's a saying " if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything"
if these inlaws are against their marriage they are against the children's wellbeing. if hubby had a spine and was doing what he had to then im sure op would be confident that he would be able to protect the children if the granny and grandad or whatever member of his family began talking negatively about mommy which these types of enmeshed people tend to do. its all about control and getting what they want. an ultimatum can be the best thing especially if you've dealt with an enmeshed cult like family for too long and would rather no longer be made their scapegoat or villain. im absolutely flabbergasted by the people here who think its appropriate for op partner to put their children in harms way by allowing people who hate and disrespect their mother to have whatever access they want. that's not a marriage. that's a situation where the enmeshed family cult is controlling their marriage and decisions and op partner needs longterm counselling to see that this set up is dysfunctional and will destroy his marriage and damage their children. what's the point in being married to someone who can't prioritise you and your children's wellbeing? it should not have to come to op and her partner having to tussle to stop him taking the kids to his parents. if they were respectful and civil to op i don't see how op would object. but i would be damned if people hate me, smear me and are trying to destroy my marriage then have access to our young innocent impressionable children. i see alot of spineless people in these comments. if ops h is going to continue to cause chaos in his nuclear family because he can't say no to his mommy and daddy then im sure op would be better off without him. at least she doesn't have to worry about him allowing his family to bully and disrespect her. when you marry someone they become a part of you. you become one and you forsake all others. even your mommy and daddy. you do not go against your spouse for anyone. that's disloyal. obviously in cases of domestic v that's different but some of you do not seem to understand how severely toxic, dysfunctional enmeshed family cults can affect a person. and how hellbent they get to push someone out they consider to be in their way. i would never allow people around my children who disrespect me and are against my marriage and are actively trying to destroy it and if the person i married were ok to allow their family to bully and abuse me then i would most definitely give them an ultimatum and be ready to follow through. that's what ultimatums are.

Januarcelebration · 18/11/2022 08:27

user1475796520 · 18/11/2022 08:26

i am absolutely astounded by the amount of people on here telling this woman to allow their children to see people who hate her. do you think that grandparents who hate the mother of their grandchild /children and is severely enmeshed with their adult child can truly be good for said grandchildren? yes he is their father but these children are not tools for daddy to use to appease his mommy and daddy that he never learned to have boundaries with. there's a saying " if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything"
if these inlaws are against their marriage they are against the children's wellbeing. if hubby had a spine and was doing what he had to then im sure op would be confident that he would be able to protect the children if the granny and grandad or whatever member of his family began talking negatively about mommy which these types of enmeshed people tend to do. its all about control and getting what they want. an ultimatum can be the best thing especially if you've dealt with an enmeshed cult like family for too long and would rather no longer be made their scapegoat or villain. im absolutely flabbergasted by the people here who think its appropriate for op partner to put their children in harms way by allowing people who hate and disrespect their mother to have whatever access they want. that's not a marriage. that's a situation where the enmeshed family cult is controlling their marriage and decisions and op partner needs longterm counselling to see that this set up is dysfunctional and will destroy his marriage and damage their children. what's the point in being married to someone who can't prioritise you and your children's wellbeing? it should not have to come to op and her partner having to tussle to stop him taking the kids to his parents. if they were respectful and civil to op i don't see how op would object. but i would be damned if people hate me, smear me and are trying to destroy my marriage then have access to our young innocent impressionable children. i see alot of spineless people in these comments. if ops h is going to continue to cause chaos in his nuclear family because he can't say no to his mommy and daddy then im sure op would be better off without him. at least she doesn't have to worry about him allowing his family to bully and disrespect her. when you marry someone they become a part of you. you become one and you forsake all others. even your mommy and daddy. you do not go against your spouse for anyone. that's disloyal. obviously in cases of domestic v that's different but some of you do not seem to understand how severely toxic, dysfunctional enmeshed family cults can affect a person. and how hellbent they get to push someone out they consider to be in their way. i would never allow people around my children who disrespect me and are against my marriage and are actively trying to destroy it and if the person i married were ok to allow their family to bully and abuse me then i would most definitely give them an ultimatum and be ready to follow through. that's what ultimatums are.

I am astounded you decided to revive a thread from 2016 tbh.

user1475796520 · 18/11/2022 08:30

even more astounded that you replied so quickly

user1475796520 · 18/11/2022 08:32

to Januarcelebration

i can reply to whatever thread i want to reply to. what does it matter really? the fact that you're here replying to my comment within seconds of it being posted says more about you lol

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