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To have said no more contact for a while?

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user1477061914 · 21/10/2016 16:50

Apologies, this is my first post and may be long.

My sister has a daughter, 8, and I have two boys, 5 and 2 and a half. My niece has always been very overbearing and is the double of her mother who I have always had a tumultuous relationship with.

They moved to our city over a year ago and I have always tried to make an effort to see them at least once a fortnight. SInce she was born I have tried to establish a good relationship with niece but it has become incredibly strained since the boys were born and as she has gotten old enough to know her behaviour is wrong.

My boys are far from perfect but they know right and wrong, more so than their elder cousin. She is not disciplined at home, empty threats, shouted at then followed by cuddles and whatever she wanted in the first place. She will have a tantrum if she does not get her own way and will scream and hit, adults and children alike.
My eldest has always been known by an abbreviation of his full name which is also a girl's name and since she has started school every time someone has said his name, she theatrically giggles. She hits and punches, when the boys were little, she'd bully by pushing, stealing, snatching, pinching, being generally mean and when they were tiny she would purposely wake them.

DS1 is thick-skinned and, by nature, extremely protective of DS2, her name calling and dismissiveness does not bother him, DS2 is the exact opposite and very sensitive, however, most of the time too young to understand the 'joke'.

The kids had a day off today, niece and eldest go to the same school . I had her round and did a Halloween type of day for the her and they boys, made cakes and did halloween-y crafts and were going to a soft play this afternoon.

DS2 had done a little Halloween jelly window stick on the other day, it was misspelt and wonky but he was incredibly proud of it. DH works shifts and the boys wait in the window when he's due home and he was delighted it was one of the first things his Dad spotted, therefore it became his proudest creation. He showed his cousin and since then it was target No.1.

I was making lunch and I heard shouts, screams and scuffles. Rush in and niece is rolling on the floor screaming, DS1 is kind of stood in the middle, DS2 is slumped against the arm of the settee clutching his head.

It takes a quick few minutes to ascertain DN had ripped his stickers off the window, he had run at her to stop her, she slapped him and pushed him, he fell and tried to get up, she shouted 'Stay down bitch' and pushed him again, he cracked his head against the coffee table, DS1 shoved DN, for which he was disciplined for, however, DS2's head was gashed and pouring with blood. Thankfully, it was a shallow cut that bleeds awfully and he is fine, but I was so angry.

She was not apologetic, she did not care and tried to blame everything on the boys. I called my sister to come and pick her up from work, she appreciated why I was furious and seemed herself taken aback by the violence. DH and I have said for a while she has severe aggression and behavioural problems and I've tried to broach the subject with sister many times but she laughs and regards her as 'bossy' or 'ballsy'. She's not.

I am wanting to text her and say I don't want niece around my children for the foreseeable future, she is a threat to their safety and I have had enough. AIBU before I say this?

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wingingitonthedaily · 21/10/2016 18:29

Sorry, I updated my username.

WhereYouLeftIt · 21/10/2016 18:33

Wow. YANBU, I would not allow your niece access to your children. And yes, a few home truths need to told to your sister. She is doing her daughter no favours.

GreatFuckability · 21/10/2016 18:35

ladystoic sorry, i didn't actually finish my post,got distracted.... that'll teach me to mumsnet and cook at the same time Grin.

what i was trying to say was, she probably annoys the OP anyway prior to this incident, which in all likelihood causes a bit of tension. (am not blaming the OP for that, my kids have friends who i just can't take to, and they grate on me after a while), so even without the other stuff its probably best to get some distance. I wasn't trying to minimise the incident at all.

Italiangreyhound · 21/10/2016 18:42

YANBU

YuckYuckEwwww · 21/10/2016 18:59

In regard to where she gets the language and violence, there is no abuse at home

I would never categorically say that about anyone elses home

I would say "I'm fairly sure there's no abuse at home" - but you never know 100%. If there's no partners then physical abuse could be towards her.

My mum was physically abusive towards me behind closed door, and a "soft touch" with me in public, people thought I was "spoilt", including relatives. I was having my head smashed against walls and floors.

YuckYuckEwwww · 21/10/2016 19:01

Her behaviour is a red flag

a red flag doesn't mean there is definitely abuse

it does mean though that you should hand over the convern to people better able to assess it, you cannot make that call either way

wingingitonthedaily · 21/10/2016 19:32

I have just put my youngest to bed and logged onto Facebook, picture of niece with a takeaway and the caption.

'What Princess wants, she gets. My world

GeekyWombat · 21/10/2016 19:41

Your poor DS. Your DC should not have to endure being near your niece until something changes.

TeenAndTween · 21/10/2016 19:53

imo it is abusive to let children watch stuff that is way above their age and ability to process, especially if it then results in inappropriate behaviour. you could call it a form of neglect.

lollylou2876 · 21/10/2016 20:07

I think she needs to see you more to instill love, care & nurturing, maybe is witnessing that kind of language & behaviour, as kids tend to mimic.

I think she was jealous of the love & attention & lost it in the only way she knows how, maybe she's not as used to sharing time & attention & getting away with it etc, but it is a key life skill.

I'd have a little talk with her next time she comes over, just you & madam to one side & tell her you love her & her visits & our family time, but she needs to behave, then in a funny way say tell her all the jobs you do looking after 3 boys & say I've got enough to do, us girls have got to stick together, but we don't hit each other & Its the same rules for everyone. Then give her a little Huggle & carry on as normal maybe enlist her help in doing some stuff to keep her busy, reinforce with firm eye contact & a little cough, if behaviours deteriorating & proud happy wink, maybe a high 5 when she's doing good.

YuckYuckEwwww · 21/10/2016 20:09

I think she needs to see you more to instill love, care & nurturing, maybe is witnessing that kind of language & behaviour, as kids tend to mimic

and what about the OPs kids, should they witness and mimic the DNs behaviour?

ollieplimsoles · 21/10/2016 20:12

DS1 shoved DN, for which he was disciplined for

I wouldn't have disciplined my child for this...

Fusspilz · 21/10/2016 20:16

funny way say tell her all the jobs you do looking after 3 boys & say I've got enough to do, us girls have got to stick together

Enough with the sexist shite - I'm assuming that the OPs' husband is not a boy, and WTF is with the suggestions of bonding over us girls versus those silly men?!

And that's to say nothing of what a daft idea it is to invite the niece around again and put the boys in harms way

MagikarpetRide · 21/10/2016 20:19

No wonder your DN acts up if she gets rewarded for shoving her cousin into a table Hmm. I'd be mortified if my DC did that, I certainly wouldn't be treating them.

FlabulousChic · 21/10/2016 20:32

Your poor children. Id say no contact with dn until her behaviour changes that might take forever. She won't change whilst her mother lets her get away with it.

MermaidTears · 21/10/2016 20:33

My 8 year old, (even considering I am quite lenient about what she watches on tv) would never ever think to say things like 'stay down bitch' ....that is worrying.
How sure are you that she's not a victim of or being exposed to violence?
And no definitely not unreasonable to have some distance and protect your son's.

wingingitonthedaily · 21/10/2016 21:14

She text me asking how the boys are after DS2's 'accident'.

I more or less lost it, I called her and told her that niece's behaviour is out of control and in recent months verging on sinister etc, she needs some kind of intervention if you can't discipline her. She could have cracked his head open or severely hurt him.

There was a pause and I thought I was getting across how serious this was.

She said she was sorry I felt this way and I was overreacting, kids will be kids, she just got a bit rough and she'll apologise to him next time she sees him.

I told her there wouldn't be a next time until her behaviour vastly improved and I loved her but I wasn't willing to put my children in her warpath anymore, rhymed off ten examples of how they had been targeted before realising she'd hung up.

YuckYuckEwwww · 21/10/2016 21:30

your DN has been exposed to some things that children shouldn't have to see and is acting it out, and you think she needs punishment?

I don't think that's what she needs, I think the root cause of whatever she's seeing and acting out need to be dealt with

Italiangreyhound · 21/10/2016 21:32

Yuck I am so sorry to hear about your experiences. I agree we cannot know what goes on in other peppl's homes and some people do not even know what happens in their own homess.

myownprivateidaho · 21/10/2016 21:34

Fine to nt have her over and the violence is unacceptable. But it also stands out to me that you really dislike the niece and are projecting your problems with your sister into her. It's hardly surprising she finds being at your house and with your children disturbing and upsetting. FYI, she is not "the double" of your sister and it's unfair to treat her as if she is.

MagikarpetRide · 21/10/2016 21:38

So your sister is already trying to palm this off as an accident and telling you you're overreacting. Yep, these aren't your DN's issues at all.

Even if I didn't believe my DC had done that maliciously I'd be apologising and having a word about making sure we're more gentle around smaller children.

Italiangreyhound · 21/10/2016 21:43

Your first priority is to keep your kids safe.

Your sister needs to see this behaviour is unacceptable, whatever is causing it needs addressing

Her daughter will be ostracized on later life if it carries on.

Idaho how do you know the child is not like her mum? Are you thinking there are other rraso s for not liking the child? There are.a ample evidence to not want to have the child around her own kids.

Italiangreyhound · 21/10/2016 21:44

Reasons.

wingingitonthedaily · 21/10/2016 21:58

I'd like to clarify, I do not 'project' any feelings of ill will onto my niece. I have always treated her with love and affection, however, when she is becoming increasingly more and more aggressive to my sons, particularly my youngest because it's 'fun', it becomes harder and harder to remain impartial.

In respect to those saying she is not the double, she is. Her bossiness and her personality all the way down to her mannerisms are my sister. They are like two peas in a pod.

Whilst you are right, we can never make assumptions about abuse, I know my sister and I have known my niece since birth, since she could walk she would kick, since she could reach for things she would throw. Her Father smacked her once and my sister threw him out for nearly two months, if there is any risk of abuse it is not from her.

YuckYuckEwwww · 21/10/2016 22:11

You don't know that as an absolute, nobody does.

She has displayed worring behaviour that doesn't come out of thin air, no child would invent "stay down bitch" if they'd never seen it, heard it or had it happen to themselves.

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