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To think that my cheeky neighbour can't sell land he doesn't own (with diagram)

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PinnenStripen · 11/10/2016 18:18

When the road was built, around 15 years ago, part of the planning permission was that a strip of land had to be left down the side of the road with a larger area at the end of the road as a wildlife refuge for a protected species. It is on all the plans of the road.

A fence runs down both sides of this strip of land, so it is clear where the boundary of the gardens is. At the end of the road, where there is a larger area of protected ground, there is a gate through to this area from the neighbours drive. Other neighbours used to check their garden cuttings into this area, so he put a padlock on the gate (or at least, that's why I assume he did...)

The larger area of protected land is adjacent to neighbours drive, house and garden.

The neighbour has now put his house up for sale and included in the particulars are this wildlife area, listed as an additional plot of land to the side. But HE DOESN'T OWN IT! It's a wildlife area and not his. You can't just randomly grab a piece of land, can you?

What can I do about it? I bet the other neighbours whose gardens also back onto this patch of land don't know about it and wouldn't agree to it.

I am so cross that he is trying to sell the wildlife area.

To think that my cheeky neighbour can't sell land he doesn't own (with diagram)
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thenightsky · 11/10/2016 18:20

It will show up on the searches as not belonging to him I guess.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/10/2016 18:20

First of all, thank you for the awesome diagram! Grin

Who does own this piece of land? I'd suggest contacting them , as well as perhaps the estate agents?

SouthPole · 11/10/2016 18:21

It's a ransom strip. His solicitor will soon see he doesn't own it. Unless he's attempting adverse possession? In which case let the Council know pdq.

helpimitchy · 11/10/2016 18:21

Oh, that sounds bad. Perhaps contact the local council as a start?

WutheringTights · 11/10/2016 18:23

How long ago did he put the padlock on? Could he be claiming adverse possession (squatters rights)? Disclaimer: I know hardly anything about it.

KickAssAngel · 11/10/2016 18:24

is there an estate agent involved? Can you contact them and tell them that it isn't part of the property and therefore can't be part of the sale?

Ausernotanumber · 11/10/2016 18:26

Cheeky boy is claiming adverse possession I'd guess.

Chickenagain · 11/10/2016 18:29

First of all I would write to the Estate Agents so they would be obliged to mention the ownership/boundary dispute to anyone interested in the property & maybe even put it in the details - Property Misdescriptions Act.
Then I would get the other owners together and compose a strongly worded letter to the neighbour, followed up by a solicitors letter demanding the immediate removal of the padlock and/or the gate.
Finally, I would start treating it like the benefit it is - stop dumping garden waste there & install a bench or a swing.

BellaGoth · 11/10/2016 18:34

Many years ago, our neighbours were selling there house and advertised part of my driveway as their parking space (don't ask). I rang the estate agent and it was removed from the listing within an hour. Never heard any more about it so I assume they sorted it!

I'd ring the EA ASAP.

PinnenStripen · 11/10/2016 18:39

I looked up adverse possession. Websites at 10 years or 12 years. The padlock has been on for about 4 years at a guess. And he has never used the land, just padlocked the gate. Which seemed fair enough at the time.

I am not 100% sure who owns the land. At a guess, it is the property developers who built the road. A Big national company. I think they still own the road too as it is unadopted. Basically, there used to be a couple of biggish houses here which were knocked down to build the road.

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Garthmarenghi · 11/10/2016 18:40

Is this new build? If it's a wildlife corridor then either the original owners of the land, the developers or possibly the local council will own it. The council will be able to tell you whether they own it as a first point of call.

SouthPole · 11/10/2016 18:42

If you go onto land registry website (the proper government one) and look at their map-search tool you'll be able to see if the land is registered. You need postcode and it's fairly easy to use.

Greaterthanthesumoftheparts · 11/10/2016 18:43

Wasn't there a reverse post of this type around 6 months ago. In that situation I believe the land did actually belong to the house and the OP wanted to remove the fence between her garden and the wildlife strip, she was, I believe told she WBU.

PinnenStripen · 11/10/2016 18:44

If I email all these people, can I inform them anonymously without declaring which neighbour I am? If it stops him selling his house, I don't really want lots of bad feeling.

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anon123456 · 11/10/2016 18:49

after so many years, yes he will own the land

anon123456 · 11/10/2016 18:50

I have had neighbors and relatives that have successfully obtained land the council never used, and then sold it.

AlmaMartyr · 11/10/2016 18:52

He might actually own it. There is a bit of communal land at the bottom of our garden. It belongs to us and is on our deeds but we can't fence it off or anything. I wouldn't advertise it with the sale because it's a scrappy piece of land but if it was a wildlife strip I might.

NerrSnerr · 11/10/2016 18:53

I remember the other thread, it was something like on the deeds it said they own the wildlife bit but on another plan they didn't. So it might be a bit more complex?

FrancisCrawford · 11/10/2016 18:54

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 11/10/2016 18:58

Bolt cut the padlock.

Call into the estate agents, next time you happen to be passing and helpfully point out the error in the details.

Or call into the estate agents and say ooh, I didn't know he bought that land, god knows how he pulled that off without anyone knowing, do you know if he would accept an offer on the wildlife area only, we might be interested in buying it?

Or call the estate agents, tell them, ask them not to mention that it was you that dobbed him in because you don't want a neighbour dispute (they won't want that either because it will be harder to sell his or your house).

GardenGeek · 11/10/2016 19:05

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Careforadrink · 11/10/2016 19:10

Do an online search at the land registry. Find out who owns it and inform them.

He might have been trying to claim adverse possession but that doesn't happen automatically.

Sara107 · 11/10/2016 19:12

Contact the council I think. If there were conditions put on the planning permission initially to keep the wildlife areas then the council should have the details.

yoyo1234 · 11/10/2016 19:13

Searches for title plans on Land registry are only circa 20 pounds. Do this to check details. inform estate agency . 4 years of sole access is not enough for adverse possession and then the neighbour would have to have actively sought to get ownership of the land. Stop it quickly.

SheldonsSpot · 11/10/2016 19:15

How do you know he hasn't bought it from whoever previously owned it?

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