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jolly fecking phonics...... anybody else object? throw the R away now?

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strangefruit · 07/02/2007 20:50

today dd came home with her jolly phonics sound action

a picture of a child opening her mouth for a dentist the sound the child is making is ah

this is for the letters ar,

as in pARk

dARk

stAR

I have always pronounced this as I see it, yes I am scottish, so it is arrrrrrr as in

ARse not AHsss

am I being unreasonable or is this rp? I want my child to say AR not ah when she sees woRds with an R in them

I want to tell the jolly phonics lot where to stick there sound actions right up there AHsses

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Havingatoughtime · 07/02/2007 20:56

I despair of jolly phonics

Hassled · 07/02/2007 20:58

The person who came up with those ridiculous pictures has some problems - they can only really be the work of a madman.

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strangefruit · 07/02/2007 21:55

what can we do about this?

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strangefruit · 07/02/2007 21:56

I am not amused

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MrsApron · 07/02/2007 22:12

That's crap. I wonder if they muddle up wales and whales too.

Up the r's, (theirs of course!)

am musing on what picture you could use for arrrr.

Me looking at Brendan Fraser perhaps

bobsmum · 07/02/2007 22:38

Not jolly phonics as such, but I remember when the Ford KA was first launched and the slogan was "Get into the Ka"

Clearly this only makes any sense if you have a SE English accent. It sounds the same as they would pronounce "car". But I say "car" with an "r" on the end and "Ka" without - cos there isn't one. So it didn't work for at least 5 million people in the UK, probably more.

Just annoyed me tis all.

Am annoyed on your dd's behalf too strangefruit .

RosaLuxembourg · 08/02/2007 10:06

I am Irish and have the same problem. My eldest daughter has a lovely Irish name that ends in R but people both pronounce and spell it as if it has an A on the end - even when they've seen it written down. What is the point of having a letter R in the alphabet if you're not going to use it.
All together now
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

calmontheoutside · 08/02/2007 16:14

Love teaching JP, but completely agree that the ar sound is crappy, as is the 'or' sound being that which is made by a donkey after eeeee. I teach the RRRRR sound at the end because I too am Scottish, telling them it's a Scottish donkey, and for 'ar' we have a monster in the dentist story. It also really helps to differentiate when spelling sort and sauce.

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strangefruit · 08/02/2007 16:21

keep trying to think of an irish name ending in r

my dd's teacher is english, just wish it wasn't taught like that, I also turned a blind eye to "ee or", grrrrr

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TinyGang · 08/02/2007 16:30

One thing I've often wondered in more idle moments....why Jolly Phonics?

What's so 'jolly' about it?

bobsmum · 08/02/2007 16:35

But I thought a donkey said hee haw anyway... Really hope ds' primary doesn't do this - it's going to drive me loopy by the sounds of it.

Having said that I have a Glaswegian accent and ds has a very well spoken estuary accent which is odd considering we live in central scotland - so maybe JP would suit him fine!?

MascaraOHara · 08/02/2007 16:37

just scanned but we do jolly phonics and the R is rrrrrrrrrrr a dog growling shaking a rag. Sorry if I've missed the point

calmontheoutside · 08/02/2007 16:44

Ee-aw, hee-haw, aw, aw, aw. Definitely not or.

calmontheoutside · 08/02/2007 16:48

Yes, M O hara, rrrr is a dog, which is fine. But the ar and or sounds are taught as if they only make one sound. If you have a Scottish accent, ar has two sounds, the ah and the rr...
Apart from that, and some of the stories and some of the pictures, I like JP.

Jo26 · 08/02/2007 16:55

My D has been doing Jolly Phonics since she started school in September and although we live in Essex I actually said to my Dh that JP doesn't work in other areas of the country.
You would think they'd make regional JP

twelveyeargap · 08/02/2007 16:57

Oh dear. Never heard of jolly phonics. DD did her first years of schooling in Ireland. Do I have this to look forward to when (as yet unborn) DD2 starts school?

I would have something to say about it too. DH is from "oop north" and although has a fairly bland accent, still "bath" not "baaaahhhth" etc. I pronounce Rs. There's no way I'm going to stop now.

I sent a polite note to a teacher a few years ago who kept changing DD's "mammy" in her writing to "mummy". I said that since "mummy" is a pet term/ colloquialism, then I would have thought "mammy" was as acceptable as "mama" or "mummy".

The red pen stopped after that...

Seems like an odd thing, having that kind of phonics book. Do they use it in parts of the country other than the South East? How would it work?

pointydog · 08/02/2007 17:05

Any teacher with a little sense will change a few of the sounds/actions to fit local accent. Any programme should be modified if inappropriate.

Soapbox · 08/02/2007 17:07

Maybe the author came from the West Country

Jo26 · 08/02/2007 17:08

I find it rediculous they were correcting your daughters mammy Glad that stopped.
It reminds me of when my brother in law was at school, they made him write with his right hand, as left was wrong apparently, but that was 20urs ago!

Jo26 · 08/02/2007 17:10

It would definately need to be modified as the Jolly Phonics book & workbooks I bought my DD at ELC (recommended by her school), came with a CD that sounded out the letters

twelveyeargap · 08/02/2007 17:46

It was gas about the "mammy" becuase in DD's school in Ireland, where English was taught as a language and they learned everything else through Irish; "mammy" was used all through the English text book to suit the fact it was aimed at an Irish market.

Made me feel vinicated in piping up about it anyway.

charmkin · 08/02/2007 17:54

have met the person who invented it!

She is an old school marm type who...
omg could tell you more but after the she who shall not be named fiasco am worried!

MascaraOHara · 08/02/2007 18:31

Think the creator was from East Anglia/Norfolk type area but could be wrong.

Sugarmagnolia · 08/02/2007 18:58

dd has been jolly phonics since september as well. They finished all their sound worksheets and have started doing reading and writing whole words. Which sounds great except she came home with 2 pages of typed instructions for the parents on how to do the homework! None of us could understand it and had to go see the teacher to get it explained.

On the more positive side though it does seem to work pretty well, I can't believe how quickly her reading and writing has come on in just 6 months.

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strangefruit · 09/02/2007 10:18

12yeargap at your dd's mammy bieng changed to mummy, my dh calls his mother mammy, I like it much better than mummy, sounds nice, even now when they are all grown up, they call her mammy.

jolly phonics does work, but I do resent my dd being taught to say paHk instead of paRk etc

Bobsmum - I haven't heard a donkey in a while, but I am pretty convinced that they do NOT say eee OR, unless donkeys are getting jolly phonics too

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