To wonder what chamgain shami Chakrabarti drinks

[Thefishewife]

It emerged last week that Baroness Chakrabarti’s son won a place at the £18,000-a-year Dulwich College in south London after sitting a tough entrance exam.
Critics say it shows she believed selective education is fine for those who can pay for it – but not for parents who cannot afford it.

Maybe it's Moët 🍾🍾🍾

She's a complete twat in general tbh

It's like corbyn I am sure grammer schools WAs part of many rows but the fact he diddled Diane Abbott is the mostly likey cause of the brake up

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What does this mean?

I think Jeremy Corbyn's marriage broke up because he didn't want his kids to go to grammar school so a bit unfair to call him a hypocrite.

I am a committed lefty and I could not give a shit about private schools. They are entirely outside my frame of reference. I don't care if rich people or politicians send their kids there. It doesn't affect me or my children.

I do care passionately about faith schools and I care about grammar schools, because I think they both reduce opportunities for children instead of increasing them.

I also don't think being rich, working hard, earning a good salary, and spending your money stops you caring about giving everyone an equal chance in life, and I hate the sneering at 'champagne socialists'.

myownprivateidaho Sun 09-Oct-16 20:36:31 Chakrabarti's remarks on selective education weren't that no one needs it because all non-selective education is fantastic. Nothing of the sort. She's reported as saying that selectivity is damaging to the kids who "fail" at 11.

So why has she put her DC in a school that has an 11+ exam?

www.dulwich.org.uk/college/admissions/entry-procedures-and-timetable

People say him and his missus broke up because of grammer school I think. That was part of it but most like him shagging ms abott didn't go down to well

I also don't think being rich, working hard, earning a good salary, and spending your money stops you caring about giving everyone an equal chance in life, and I hate the sneering at 'champagne socialists'.

I totally agree with this KathyBeale. If people have resorted to the personal and unnecessary 'champagne socialists' they're out of actual arguments. It's rude and boring.

Corbyn had a problem sending his children to grammar school but not for them to be employed by McDonnell his right hand man

It might be fantastic for the rest of us but not good enough for her and her offspring.

If that's not hypocrisy I don't know what is.

I am a committed lefty and I could not give a shit about private schools. They are entirely outside my frame of reference. I don't care if rich people or politicians send their kids there. It doesn't affect me or my children.

It does though because rich people and politicians are the ones who influence funding for the education your children are getting.

Why would they give a shit about funding of state schools if their kids are being educated wonderfully in private schools?

Sorry, did I miss the speech where she said the current system was "fantastic'?

herethereandeverywhere so you don't think it a bit questionable that she has chosen a school for her DC that does an 11 plus exam yet expressed a concern for grammar schools on the basis of the 11 plus exam?

Why would they give a shit about funding of state schools if their kids are being educated wonderfully in private schools?

For the same reason they support funding cancer treatment when they don't have cancer? Or anti-racism initiatives even if they are in the white majority? Or any other number of services that society should offer, regardless of whether those in politics avail themselves of it or not.

If it's Dulwich College it's private not 11+. So she's chosen a 'pay to play' system, not an 11+ grammar system.

I assume if the boy failed to get into Dulwich he'd have got into somewhere else for £18k per year.

You can live a good life and care for others

But for fuck sake you should have the awareness that your privilege allows you far more choices

Especially if you are a senior member of a political party

Labour really know how to push voters away

She didn't say the word fantastic, but it's what most people have, so the local comp is good enough for most, as opposed to the highly selective one.

Not all people get cancer, but all children need an education, a good one, if possible.

It's not comparable.

herethereandeverywhere - If it's Dulwich College it's private not 11+.

From the school web site (I did provide a link):

Selection
Years 7 and 9 (11+ and 13+)

The offer of a place at the College is made on the basis of

the candidate’s performance in the appropriate examination or test

I'm not sure how far a DC will get if they score badly in the 11+ or 13+ (perhaps you have first hand knowledge?). Are you saying the exam score has nothing to do with DCs getting a place, in which case why do they even have the eam?

the poor bright children have been left because all the fucking wealthy bright ones are in frigging dulwich collage

All of them ?

No, I'm saying she has chosen the private school system. Private schools look at exam results before they admit. If they fail to get in to academic schools there is always a school that will take the child, because she has the best part of £20k to spend. Her child would never experience the 11+ failure going to a secondary modern. She can still be concerned about that whilst entering her child for the exam for a private school.

I also imagine that the child would not be 'selected' per their website if you did not stump up the £18k.

So the 'it all rests on the 11+ as the gateway to success/failure' for state kids in the grammar system just isn't the same thing.

herethereandeverywhere Sun 09-Oct-16 22:11:09nNo, I'm saying she has chosen the private school system. Private schools look at exam results before they admit. If they fail to get in to academic schools there is always a school that will take the child, because she has the best part of £20k to spend.

So how many 20K private schools will take her DC without an exam. What's more how many 20K private schools would she likely find appealing if they don't select on exam (very few I suspect because the top level exam results won't be good enough). The 11+ exams for my local private are not significanlty easier than the state 11 plus schools.

Sorry, that should read - privates (I have more than one near me, N London)

No idea mum. But with £20k to spend it isn't pass=private fail=comp. I'll guarantee that.

Michael Crick, on the Channel 4 news, asked her if the rumour that she had tried to get her son into Eton was true. She didn't say no, she just said 'You shouldn't spend so much time on Google' - or words to that effect.

I used to really rate her, but she has plummeted in my estimation these last few months.

It just seems very conveniently selective thinking to decide that selective education is harmful to loads of kids so no-one should have it and yet somehow private schools are completely fine and don't have a bad effect on equality at all. Or else, she accepts it IS harmful and that she is therefore being a hypocrite - which is understandable but then it's fair enough for the rest of us to talk about her hypocrisy if we want.
This wasn't a child who was bullied in a state school and moved to get away from the bullies with private the only other feasible option, this is a child being sent straight to an elite private secondary, despite there being plenty of decent state schools in the area, and certainly better than the state options available in many parts of the country.