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Not to buy presents for my nephews?

54 replies

Temporaryname137 · 07/10/2016 13:58

I have namechanged for this so as not to out myself or anyone else!

I will try to keep the backstory brief to avoid drip feeding. My brother has been married for about 8 years to a woman who always seemed pleasant enough but had some red flags - absolutely no friends; very insular life, etc. We (by whom I mean my dad, other brother and I) liked her well enough, but she never really had all that much to say for herself, so I can't say we knew her very well in hindsight at least.

Initially she got on well with my dad in particular, and he paid for lots of meals out, holidays etc, and ultimately for her wedding. A few years after getting married, they had a little boy, and at that point, her behaviour changed totally. She became very angry with my brother and controlling of the child - for example, you'd go round there, and you were never allowed to pick up the baby or to read to him or feed him. You were allowed to look, but not to touch. She was also incredibly critical of my dad and how he interacted with the baby. My dad is a great granddad in my view; his other grandchildren love him to bits, but SIL thought he was too loud and rough and put him down constantly.

After a year or so there was an incident with my SIL and my dad. I won't go into detail as it could out me, but suffice it to say that to the extent my dad was in the wrong, he was at worst insensitive, and would have been mortified to think he had caused any upset/offence. Certainly had he been told what he had done, he would have apologised. But instead SIL acted like it was the worst thing in the world, sent a truly disgusting email that was dripping with malice and venom, and put a ban on my DN seeing any of the family. If my brother wanted to see his family, she would make up some transparent excuse (it's amazing how often one perfectly healthy woman can hurt her back!) to stop it.

At birthdays and Christmas, we were told that we could not see DN, but presents would be taken off us a few days in advance so that DN could open them with SIL's family. I like to make a big deal out of presents; I am lucky enough to have disposable income and I like to spend it on people - but I do like to watch the recipient opening them! So I refused to do this, and told my brother that I would go shopping with him and DN to choose things. In response I got an email from SIL saying that DN was too young to go shopping with "a stranger", but she would tell me what I could buy and post to them...

About a year after this, I got pregnant. This did not go down well with SIL, who said some breathtakingly horrible things about me, the baby and my partner (whom she's never even met) to some very old friends of mine, putting them in a very unpleasant position. She also sent a few more unpleasant emails to my dad - amongst other things throwing my dead mother (whom she also never met) in his face. None of us have been in touch with her due to not wanting to make my brother's life any worse, so she never got any reply to any of her rants.

Shortly after that, SIL got pregnant herself, and had another boy. He's now about 18 months and we've never seen him, and haven't seen his older brother since he was a baby.

Until now, I've maintained the stance that I will buy them anything they like so long as I can see them and they know their aunt. But it's getting to the stage where my brother is buying nice presents for my baby, and I feel guilty that I am not reciprocating. On the other hand, I don't see why I should buy presents for children who have no idea who I am, and who are going to be told a pack of lies about me and my family as soon as they are old enough to ask!

It's clear that my brother should stand up to his wife, as he's the one who's missing out on so much, but he's not, and that's his business, not mine. But AIBU not to buy them Christmas presents this year in light of the fact that my baby always gets nice things from him? WWYD?

Sorry for the epic!

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QueenLizIII · 07/10/2016 16:01

Sod a bank account.

They dont need presents or money. They wont grow up deprived and sad someone they never met didnt get them anything.

GeorgeTheThird · 07/10/2016 16:11

Send a card and a gift voucher every birthday and Christmas. When they are older they will appreciate it and frankly it's the best you can do in the situation. Keep the doors open for your brother, it doesn't sound as though his marriage will last a lifetime, which is sad for him.

QueenLizIII · 07/10/2016 16:18

Why cant your brother just take his kids to meet you?

If hos wife has a problem with that, how about she dumps him and he gets 50% access where she has no control what he does when she isnt there. It is just madness.

Temporaryname137 · 07/10/2016 16:27

You are absolutely right that he should do that. I look at how much my children love my dad, and my brother is missing out on all that. It's a real shame. But he doesn't seem to want to grow one ball where she is concerned, never mind two!

I don't understand how she can deprive her husband and kids of these relationships. I can only assume that she has convinced herself that we are so evil that they are better off out of it, the nutcase.

Gabs - I don't think my dad did anything wrong at all, but even taken as 100% her version of events, he said something that was a bit insensitive, that was all. In light of everything else he'd done and how close they'd been over the last 8 years, it's frankly bizarre to focus on that one thing and not give him any credit at all for all the good things!

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QueenLizIII · 07/10/2016 16:37

Is she a narcissist and sees anyone close to her children as a threat. Like she needs the attention.

Does she have friendships.

The best way to beat these people is not to play. Im afraid ive would have said something at the baby stage. Telling me i couldn't even touch my own nephew....if never go round again and she'd be told to keep him.

She behaves this way because she can. You and your brother pander to her.

If you told her to fuck off a long time ago it may not have got this bad.

QueenLizIII · 07/10/2016 16:40

Don't buy them a single thing. She gets her own way if you do.

If she notices she is actually being frozen out because of her behaviour.....it may not work but nor will pandering.

AlpacaLypse · 07/10/2016 17:11

Sorry I wasn't online for ages after I first posted.

Just give your brother cards to pass on to them. And try and encourage him to have the guts to do what normal people do with their children - taking them to visit extended family from time to time. It would be lovely if he can somehow achieve a happy well balanced marriage in the end, but it doesn't look hopeful.

Discobabe · 07/10/2016 19:08

She doesn't sound very pleasant but I'd be interested to hear her side. I'm bit Hmm about the bit where you say your dad paid for her wedding. Surely he paid for his sons wedding or their wedding?

GabsAlot · 07/10/2016 19:10

its a shame yur borther wont stgand up to her or even leave-its abuse

GabsAlot · 07/10/2016 19:10

stand*

Lovewineandchocs · 07/10/2016 19:38

I agree with everything queenliz said. After being so horrible to your Dad and so cruel and spiteful when you got pregnant, she now gets to dictate what you buy for her DC, meanwhile you aren't allowed to see them and have no way of knowing that they are being told that the gifts are from you. Fuck that! I'd have a word with your brother, explain that the gift-buying is stopping as of now, and that your door is always open to him and his DC. Hopefully he will grow some balls.

Zadocthepriest · 07/10/2016 19:50

On a purely practical note, my father put money into a savings account for his (adored) grandchildren. This paid for driving lessons and a holiday when they reached adulthood. Their best present ever.

So sorry about the family break up but try to keep in touch with birthday cards etc.

wheresthel1ght · 07/10/2016 19:51

Part of me agrees with everyone but then a huge bit of me says you are punishing the kids for their mum being a bitch. Maybe get them a token something and save big ticket things for when she removes her head from her arse or your bother grows some bollocks?

Temporaryname137 · 07/10/2016 20:09

The queenliz approach is the one I've taken until now. It's just the longer it goes on, the worse I feel about it; we see and spoil my other brother's kids and DP's nieces regularly.

I wish my brother would tell her to stfu and just bring the kids over.

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Temporaryname137 · 07/10/2016 20:12

Freudian slip on the wedding, should have been "their". Although she was the one spending the blank cheques - brother just chose the best man and turned up on the day! Neither she nor her parents put in a penny, but i saw her mother (whom I actually quite like, but this was fucking cheeky!) standing at the bar encouraging people to order doubles and lots of rounds because "it's all paid for" - not once letting on that she wasn't paying!

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QueenLizIII · 07/10/2016 20:35

The DC dont even know you therefore wont miss presents. They dont need them either.

Lovewineandchocs · 07/10/2016 20:39

So you have never bought them presents? I'd just continue as you are then, but keep trying to get through to your brother that he doesn't have to put up with this and needs to make a stand.

MapMyMum · 07/10/2016 20:46

The big thing I see here is that it seems like your DB is in an abusive relationship. If it were yiur DSis and her husband was refusing her and DN contact with her family we'd all be saying its abuse. Can you not broach the subject very carefully with him.

MapMyMum · 07/10/2016 20:55

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newmumwithquestions · 07/10/2016 21:44

Are you sure your presents are getting passed off as coming from her family? Why not buy some personalised gifts - eg I've bought some books as different presents (from 'getting personal' website but if you google it there are various places). They generally have a space for a printed message to say who it's from - surely if it says 'Merry Christmas from auntie temporary' then there's no way they can be passed off as from someone else's gift.
It seems a shame for your Dn to go without because they have a crazy mother

knaffedoff · 07/10/2016 21:59

Can you open a bank account for another person without their birth certificate???

Why not send a card and a bit of money via royal mail. Whilst you want to send a present, how can you be sure of child's interests and hobbies? How do you gift isn't already owned?

To send nothing, isn't very nice for the child, who has a horrid mother !

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 07/10/2016 22:58

YABU, sorry. Whatever's gone on and is going on. Its not the childrens' fault, is it. Your fight's not with them. They're only innocent little boys.

MommaGee · 08/10/2016 01:01

I think bank account and tell DB it a vet him having to lie to the children who they are from. Also make it clear that you will always be there to support him but he's wing unfair to his own kids by letting their mother ruin their relationships with their family

GabsAlot · 09/10/2016 11:54

people missing the point

theyre not missing out because the mother prtend the presents ar from someone else

they dont even know their aunt

Temporaryname137 · 09/10/2016 12:02

I do think perhaps I am focussing on the presents because it's easier than the bigger picture, which is frankly devastating. Which is, of course, exactly the impact the SIL wants.

DP is very much of the view that we say to my brother, when you strap on a pair, we'll always be here. I have always agreed with that but now am wobbling!

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