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Broken item

72 replies

TwatbadgingCuntfuckery · 21/09/2016 22:33

More of a who is rather than am I.

I'm keeping it vague so I get unbiased opinions. I do know both people and have heard both arguments.

Person A offered to babysit for a fee. Person A is not a register childminder but a babysitter.

Person B agreed and left 2 children in care of person A. The children were cared for in their own home in the evening.

Whilst A was looking after the 2 children (ages 6 & 18mths) child 6 broke a tablet A had given them permission to use. It was dropped when Child retrieved it. It was balanced on a fireplace surround. This was confirmed by A. It was on charge.

A is demanding B stump up the cost of the tablet.

B states A was caring for them and fully responsible for what the children were doing. That A was doing a job and B doesn't feel responsible for breakages on As watch.

B also states that A shouldn't have let child 6 use it knowing how expensive and fragile it is and it is As responsibility.

B also said if they were there at the time it was broken they would pay for it because that meant they weren't watching their own kids and 'let it happen' but because B wasn't there doesn't feel responsible.

Child 6 has their own tablet but this is restricted at night. Childs tablet it already damaged but working due to the child dropping it. A knows this but allowed use of their tablet instead.

B doesn't want to spend £300ish on a replacement tablet.

A is demanding that they do.

Who is in the wrong or are they both in the wrong?

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TwatbadgingCuntfuckery · 22/09/2016 00:13

It was the sitters - my mothers - tablet that she brought into the parents - my sisters - house.

My mother placed it on the fire place and Put it on charge and also gave permission to the 6yo DN to use is.

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allsfairinlove · 22/09/2016 00:13

I think part of the issue is that this is a grandmother looking after her granddaughter. So whilst she might not have let another child use her tablet, lines get blurred when it is a family.
Tricky one.

grumpysquash3 · 22/09/2016 00:14

If B is paying A to babysit, then A is responsible. It's a transaction.

BackforGood · 22/09/2016 00:16

Oh! Apologies. I thought the sitter had let the child use the parents iPad.

Well, in that case it's her own responsibility. She brought it, and therefore needs to either keep it in her bag until the child was asleep in bed, or sit and hold it with them. As she did neither, then, again, it's an unfortunate accident but the risk she took. The sitter needs to suck it up or claim on her insurance. Nothing to do with the parents, they weren't there.

allsfairinlove · 22/09/2016 00:17

As a compromise, Would your mother be prepared to look after her granddaughter for free until the cost of the tablet is made up IYSWIM?

Youarenotprepared · 22/09/2016 00:19

Some people are missing that the tablet belongs to A. She brought it whilst babysitting and gave a 6 year old permission to remove it from a precarious place and use it.

A is responsible. It may be Bs child that broke it but the kid is 6 ffs. If a 6 year old is told they can play with the shiny iPad of course they are going to do it.

A needs to learn the lesson that you don't let a 6 year old play with an iPad. Especially if A knew the kid has a tablet of their own that's already broken they are bloody stupid to risk it.

I have an iPad. My 6 year old doesn't touch it for this reason. He has his own £30 piece of crap tablet!

TwatbadgingCuntfuckery · 22/09/2016 00:20

That's why I kept it anon to start! My DN does have a tablet. Sister restricts nighttime use and DN is very good at following the rules but DN tablet is accessible and works.

My argument is if my mother had fetched the tablet (the fireplace is high up, old Victorian style and DN who is very short) then this wouldn't have happened. There was an expectation for a child to be capable of managing something when they clearly weren't.

She herself could easily have knocked it off because it was a silly place to put it. Imo.

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bumsexatthebingo · 22/09/2016 00:22

I think that B should offer to pay. I would always offer to pay for anything my children broke accidentally. If they broke it on purpose I would pay and they would be without pocket money until they had paid me back!
I'd pay to replace something I broke by accident rather than saying 'well you know I'm clumsy - you shouldn't have let me near it!' so I don't see the difference.

Youarenotprepared · 22/09/2016 00:22

Never ask a child to reach something that is at their head height. It's pretty much guaranteed accident.

Trifleorbust · 22/09/2016 06:15

Forget the tablet - your mum charges your sister to babysit the grandchildren?!

quasibex · 22/09/2016 07:02

Your mum is definitely being unreasonable. She set up the environment that led to the tablet being broken by a 6 year old.

Even my 9 year old isn't allowed to handle any tablets/phones unless if has a child friendly rubber casing and a screen protector (common sense). So even if she drops it, unless we're really unlucky it just bounces.

I'm also a bit Shock at your mum charging babysitting for grandchildren...but each to their own I suppose.

TwatbadgingCuntfuckery · 22/09/2016 07:29

The charging - yes it's a bit HmmShock but it was so sister could work overtime not go out on the lash and I don't think it was usual rates more a gesture to cover peril etc. Not that I think that makes any difference.

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TwatbadgingCuntfuckery · 22/09/2016 07:29
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DeadGood · 22/09/2016 07:33

"I would always offer to pay for anything my children broke accidentally... I'd pay to replace something I broke by accident rather than saying 'well you know I'm clumsy - you shouldn't have let me near it!' so I don't see the difference."

The difference is the supervision. Your children are not automatically an extension of you at all times. If you aren't there, you aren't as responsible for their actions as you would be if you had've been present.
By your logic, someone caring for your children could stand and watch as they had a rock fight next to an Aston Martin, then expect you to buy a new one when it became damaged.

Arfarfanarf · 22/09/2016 07:43

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ReginaBlitz · 22/09/2016 07:43

B should have put the fucker away before she went out.

eurochick · 22/09/2016 07:45

Ffs. Rtft! It was the mother's!

ReginaBlitz · 22/09/2016 07:46

Sorry read it wrong! She shouldn't have gave permission end of she should pay for it herself (sorry lost now with a and b and mum and sister niece etc)

DurhamDurham · 22/09/2016 07:46

don't think the babysitter pays for something broken either! The person who left it unattended on the mantelpiece is at fault

It's the babysitter's tablet, she left it unattended.

ReginaBlitz · 22/09/2016 07:47

Euro chick I corrected before you started telling me to do the obvious, it's early I miss read my bad shoot me.

TwatbadgingCuntfuckery · 22/09/2016 07:57

Sorry for the confusion! Sister was here. I wanted to ask in an unbiased way with the facts not get hung up on people involved.

With the almost unanimous 'mother/A is a fault' I revealed who they were and even then the result was roughly the same.

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scootinFun · 22/09/2016 07:59

Right, so the mum put her IPAD on the mantelshelf, then told her grandchild, who she was being paid to look after, that s/he could use it. It fell and broke, and now she wants to have it replaced by child's mother? Normally I'd say grandmother has to suck it up, especially as she is being paid to babysit. However, what will child's mother do for childcare? Does she need to do more of these later hours, with associated childcare needed? Will her mother hold a grudge and how will that affect family interactions? Not an easy answer. I guess your sister will have to decide what's she's prepared to lose.

SoupDragon · 22/09/2016 08:06

I would say it is entirely A's fault but, if I were B, I would offer to go halves on a repair or replacement.

RB68 · 22/09/2016 08:26

I think when its family and payment was token then parent has to suck it up for the sake of family relations. HOWEVER Granny was unreasonable a) to let child use it b) to put it somewhere not safe and c) make a huge fuss about it

TheNaze73 · 22/09/2016 08:28

It's clearly your Mums fault