I think someone I know is commiting benefit fraud --again--

[Evilstepmum01]

Pretty much that...I think shes basically lying to DWP. She resigned from a good job to look after her 2 kids (nothing wrong with that). Except shes expecting benefits to support her.
Her live-in boyfriend only works part time and is a student, so theres no way he can support them.
I always understood that if you purposely make yourself unemployed, you face a benefits restriction and likely do not qualify for housing benefit (currently being paid to her) or income support. or indeed JSA.
Not sure if I should report her or ask DWP to investigate. Seriously, she got a crisis loan to go out drinking at the weekend.
Not judging, if thats how you want to spend your money, go for it. But at the taxpayers expense?
4 years ago, she was caught fiddling the system, so has form.
So, aibu to report her. shes an neighbour/acquaintence so my info is from her. (yes, she isnt that smart).

If she has a baby she may be claiming income support, and housing benefit is based on your income not whether you quit your job or not. It doesn't seem like you have enough information to know she is committing fraud, you just think that she must be because you personally disapprove of her decision to go on benefits.

Posting about and then reporting someone who has very little to live on is, in my opinion, worse than telling an anonymous person to fuck off on the internet, yes.

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As above. It's true. HB is paid on your actual income. They don't care how a person lost/gave up their job.

As I dont have recent experience of the benefits system, Gruffalo, I asked.

I'm so sorry you have chosen to take this thread as a personal attack. Where you get me not agreeing with your lifestyle, I cant see. But hey, whatever you want to take from it!

Thank you all for your thoughts (or abuse)!! I'll do what I think is the right thing. In this case, I shall leave it for now because I dont know all the facts. I tend to let sleeping dogs lie generally.

Oh I've just realised you reported me

For typing "fuck off"

Are you new to Mumsnet OP?

You can go back to campaigning for UKIP, or drowning puppies or however you usually spend time when not trying to directly fuck with your neighbours.

Well you know the facts a mother of a child under five can walk out of her job and legally claim income support.
Aka your hard earned taxes but only if you are a high rate tax payer

Not personally Evil. I'm just baffled that your sense of moral obligation didn't stretch to doing a quick google search to see what she might be entitled to and instead you came here spouting that she's comitting fraud as per the way you understand it. FWIW, absolutely nothing you've said raises alarm bells for me so it does look like you just don't agree that she should be able to claim.

Nope, been here a while!

No worries, I shall stick my head in the sand and pretend I didnt see anything! How does that work for you?

What a sad person you are OP. You would have reported me too as I have in the past been a single mother on benefits. How dare I? When I could be an Apple executive earning a whooping salary and dodging taxes left, right and centre.

Would be awfully traumatic to see all those claimants wandering around as if they have no shame so burying your head is probably for the best. Crack on

Doesn't work for me unless you refuse to come up for air. How about reading the informed responses you've had?

I said I THOUGHT she might be. I did google it and gov.uk advised no. Hence my asking. FWIW, I'm not intentionally being judgemental, I know when I was on benefits, I had no money to go out!!

I guess my sense of moral judgement was off this time.

I was on lone parent benefits for a few months fifteen years ago and the secretary of state deducted what my daughter's other parent should have been paying from what the law said I should be able to live on. No matter that he didn't pay it ever

I also remember when the measure of a society was how it treated its most vulnerable. I'm sorry for swearing at you OP, but I think it's important to challenge when those at the bottom are encouraged to turn on each other. If the river is polluted- look upstream.

Dreamfoil thats crap. You make a very good point tho about how we treat our most vulnerable.
Please dont apologise, I see where you and Gruffalo and others are coming from. I apologise for being smart-mouthed to you.
Having struggled on benefits myself years ago, I know its not easy.
I think my views were squiffy because she has commited fraud in the past.

Still, no excuse.

Cheers OP, AIBU sometimes loses its purpose of meaningful discussion but it has worked out well tonight

but I think it's important to challenge when those at the bottom are encouraged to turn on each other. If the river is polluted- look upstream.

Well said!

" I'm Not judging". Yeah and my shit doesn't stink. .
HTF is she defrauding your best mates at the DWP. Because she gave up work to look after her children. If childcare is too dear. It's not worth going out to work.
I was watching an episode of can't pay we'll take it away and one poor women had the Bailiffs around because she owed her child care provider money. Fair play to the child care providers, I guess. They're a business. Not a charity. However, if she'd not gone to work. She wouldn't have got into the debt.
You don't know any ones reasons or situation, abd. You don't know what's
around your own corner, yet.
Find a hobby. Other than running telling tales.
I'm also flabbergasted how you know so much about this person.

Who told you she got a crisis loan? Sure it wasn't a payday loan?
You're so misinformed about the benefits system it's laughable.

I hope you throw as many tantrums over tax evasion as you do "alleged" benefit fraud

A - im pretty sure the consevatives stopped crisis loans.

B- she has a baby so perfectly entitled to claim income support, regardless of why she is now not working.

C- housing benefit, council tax benefit, child tax credits, healthy start vouchers are automatically given to those on income support.

D- if any of her children are fathered by a different man to her current bf, she can get maintenance payments from him. Maintenance payments have no effect at all on any benefits claims.

*conservatives obviously

Crisis grants are still available in Scotland

Got to love the SNP!!!