School work being ripped out of books?

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AIBU to think this is weird and possibly unethical. How can a child improve by not reviewing/ correcting their work? How can a marking policy be solely based on handwriting and presentation (all subjects).

This school is faking schoolwork surely by removing the honest account of what goes on in lessons?

I also think it is a discipline method purposefully intended to humiliate rather than improve standards. But I'm leaving that out as I want to know any facts over feelings on this.

The explanation came up from memory:
Parent. And you'll rip out work if it's no good? (She interuppted whilst teacher saying they had to redo any P minus work)
Teacher. Yes. That's the new rule. I had to with (child's name), did he mention it?
Parent: yes (stuff about how she approved).
Teacher: yes, it should work well. We rip out any pages at p minus or lower than that child's mark.

(Most parents were silent apart from 2 saying how it was great etc).

Usual mark.
No. Midlands.

I read this on a Facebook group last week.
One teacher was asking how to ensure children write neatly. Many teachers suggested Pen Licences. One teacher said she rips out poor work and makes the child redo it. She said it may sound drastic but it makes a big enough impact that she never has to do it more than a few times.
If my DD's school start doing this I will make it clear that nothing is to be ripped out of her book, especially as punishment for less than perfect handwriting.
A PP is correct, this was used as an example of abuse for an NSPCC advert.

What a load of horseshit. (From the school, not you OP.) I'll bet someone there's been on a course where this was being hawked as the next best thing by some educational snake oil salesman. So glad I've retired.

Rip out and do what? Attach to a redraft?

Sounds ridiculous and likely to make an awful mess of the exercise book. If the want to hide work that is less than perfect, it would be better done on loose paper.

I'd love to hear how they would explain that to Ofsted.....

People's faith in Ofsted is ... touching.

Rip out. Re write the work.
Yes. It doesn't show any respect for the child's effort (I am sure they'll be rolling out respecting the teacher with effort etc). But respect is a very two way street.
Can I send back last year's report ripped up because it had the wrong names and some basic copy and paste errors .

Tempting!

As is people thinking that they'd be able to demand that this isn't done with their child's book and be listened to acasualobserver.

That said I think it's a hideous policy that will clearly disadvantage children with coordination difficulties or specific learning difficulties and wish schools would stop willing returning to the 1950s with this ridiculous and outdated methods

(now remembering why I left teaching two years ago)

The teacher is supposed to work with the child to bring about improvements. Work should generate new, increased or consolidating targets.

How can you do this? Shout loud.

Clearly one of the reasons I left is I can't bloody proofread

Willingly not willing
Method not methods

It sound like something that happened my parents in the 50's! Awful. I think if this policy was brought into my DCs school it would be the final nail in the coffin for me deciding to HE. I've heard no talk of such a thing but as i said i missed the curriculum meeting.

Surely all this will do is in grain a fear of failure culture. Students will decide not to do work rather than have it ripped up.

It happened to me in the 1980s. Dramatically ripped out in front of the class. Generally when I had arsed about and not put any effort in. Which was almost all the time. By the end of term my exercise books would be the covers plus three or four sheets.

It would destroy my son (7) if this happened to him. He really does struggle (he is being investigated for possible LDs) and his writing isn't good. He knows this and it already causes him frustration. He works really hard to make it neat. But this would just knock him right down to zero in his self esteem.

This really winds me up, my DS has dyspraxia and his handwriting is really poor, he can take an hour to write a small piece and it still won't look neat, his junior school were always tearing pages out and making him do it again his confidence was at rock bottom, he's now in high school his handwriting is still poor but he is doing so well as they don't seem to care about presentation as much, as long as he is working hard and they can read it they don't seem as focussed about the rest which helps. It must be soul destroying to work hard on something only for it to be torn up in front of you.

This is what I don't understand. There is a huge fuss made about presentation at Key stage 2 and yet I've had a student whose writing I could only just read at A level, whose pen grip was very unusual and who is now at University doing Law.

I love the idea of returning the school report for reworking...maybe save that for the first time they actually rip up some work.
Just make sure you save all the letters and paperwork generated by the school - most of them will have some sort of error. You could keep it up for months.

Yes primary school teachers when I was a kid seemed obsessed with presentation. Underline the title you'd be hailed as a genius. Underine it in a different coloured ink they'd have multiple orgasms and it would be passed round to the lackadaisical herberts like me as an example of what to aim for.

I completely agree with drafting and redrafting , crossing out for improvement etc, however Ofsted will pick up on presentation not being good enough, so it's very difficult to win!

I suspect an inspector might pick up on the lack of pages in some children's books if too many pages have been ripped out.

Very keen on seeing the progress in children's books and not the data at the moment. Going to be difficult to explain why some children's books are half the thickness of others if you are asked.

Ds's handwriting has not improved since he was at nursery. It is so bad he struggles in deciphering it. I know he just wouldn't even try to improve because he wouldn't be able to write as neatly as they would want so would deem it a waste of time trying and would if anything write even quicker and messier just to GE the excersise over. Ds was kept in every lunchtime and every break in year 3 to complete his homework. Unfortunately as he could neither read or write it meant he just stared at a blank piece of paper everyday.

Interestingly having read this thread, I have a friend whos school was judged as good recently by OFSTED and one of the reasons that it's not outstanding is because the children aren't all joining their letters when writing - so clearly OFSTED have decided to make this a thing too. It's still stupid though!