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To think this is a little bit too much for Year 3 children?

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NoCapes · 07/09/2016 20:06

DS1 has just started Year 3, today he came home with a newsletter type thing telling us what will be happening each week, when he'll need pe kits, when his homework is due etc
I'm a bit surprised by how much work he'll have to do at home

Each week he'll have -
Homework consisting of 1 thing topic related, 1 piece of maths, 1 piece of English
2 reading books
A list of 15 spellings to learn for a test each Friday
&
He'll have a times table test each Friday so we've been asked to practice times tables too

This feels like a lot to me for 7 year olds and is quite a big jump up from what he was expected to do last year

AIBU to think this is just too much?

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EdithBouvierBeale · 08/09/2016 18:16

My 7yo DD gets 4 spelling words to write three times, 4 sentences using the words with various challenges (eg the sentences must all start with adverbs), a page of maths, then 15 minutes of reading followed by verbal comprehension questions. It takes bloody ages!

Ghodavies · 08/09/2016 18:17

I never could decide if a child having that much homework meant that as a parent I was doing the teachers job!
I think it's too much

Drama123 · 08/09/2016 18:51

Year 3 teacher and we ask: maths activity, English activity and spelling kept in book bag to be learnt as and when.

If we ask for a topic type.project, we stretch it over half a term and ask less weekly.

What you're beige asked seems a lot...

thisthreadisbananas · 08/09/2016 19:17

Namechanged because all this is very outing.

This is so incredibly sad. These airheads who don't realise most younger children love to learn and are like little sponges at primary . When you have parents who never had enthusiasm for learning themselves it's inevitable their kids won't be encouraged. It's like if your child sees you reading they want to read, if learning spellings or tables is presented as a game and encouraged, these are the kids who will excell. Still I suppose if you just want your child to get by rather than excell it's fine.

I left school at sixteen because I found it dull. I then sought out the syllabi for the five A levels that interested me and studied them in my own time, sitting the actual exams in centres run by the boards - I worked while doing this. I got good enough grades to go to Cambridge to read law. Where I met my husband, who didn't do any formal homework worth mentioning in all his time in his super-selective grammar, but somehow scraped 4 As and studied Economics alongside me (please note: he studied hard at school. He just couldn't be arsed with homework. They are not synonymous). When we left university I studied for a Masters on an internationally competitive scholarship, and my husband did one further degree for fun via the OU, and another as part of his professional studies.

Our son is on the gifted and talented register and attained the ceiling score in maths (115) and slightly below in reading (112) in his KS1 SATS last term - the age expected score was 100. He hasn't done the set homework since Reception, because it became clear to all concerned that it was turning him off learning in a significant way. He does a lot of informal, child-led learning at home because, as you correctly say, small children are sponges... so why try to force-feed them?

And what does, "It's like if your child sees you reading they want to read" have to do with formal homework? My son knows we love to read. He also loves to read. Why force a child to read out loud from a dull-as-ditchwater scheme, when he can pick a book he wants, and love it? How is that a positive, in developing a love of learning?

Perhaps we could all "excell" as well as you and your own children if we followed your approach, but at present, I think I'll keep on with ours.

As for "even with ASD we always managed it..." erm, you do know that Tony Attwood presented to a Parliamentary Select Committee, suggesting that forcing ASD children to do homework was an exercise in counter-productive futility? And you do also know that children with ASD are not cloned, and that your own is not a template for how others may react? If your ASD child could "always be managed for ten minutes" then congratulations, because that is literally not something I have ever heard any other parent of an autistic child claim. And I have autistic relatives in the immediate family across three generations.

whatstheplanphil · 08/09/2016 19:24

In year 3 my ds got 10 spellings, times table sheets, one piece of homework a week either maths or literacy and of course their reading book so it actually seems like a lot to me .

thinkfast · 08/09/2016 19:27

That really doesn't sound a lot to me- I had much more at that age - 2 pieces of homework for approx half an hour each, plus 5-10 lines in a diary as handwriting practice, and bigger pieces of homework for the weekend

DisneyMillie · 08/09/2016 19:41

My dd is in year 2 (admittedly in private school) and gets daily book to read (20 mins), 16 spellings a week, "voluntary" maths and another piece of daily homework that takes 15 mins. So yours seems reasonable😁.

DisneyMillie · 08/09/2016 19:42

Not sure where the emoticon came from!

unlucky83 · 08/09/2016 19:47

With my eldest DD (who was diagnosed as having ADHD as a teen) homework was always a battle. But I helped her - a lot. So I 'helped' her do her spellings and timetables but also powerpoint presentations etc, rehearsed talks - even typed up projects for her. Then a parent with an older DC said they have to learn to do it themselves - you can't sit the exams for them. So I backed off. She is always in trouble at secondary for not finishing coursework on time etc...and I do still eg type things up for her sometimes (I am a quicker keyboard typist than she is) to bail her out.
But I realised it is their homework -not mine. It should be (and is better for them) if it is their own work. They have to take responsibility for it.
So from starting school DD2 has the equipment and space to do her homework. I will listen to her read, help her if she asks for it/ needs it but the rest is up to her. Now at 9 she comes home on a Monday (only night she doesn't have an activity) and does it - to 'get it out the way'. I will check it and sign it off -but that's it. If she doesn't do it she faces the consequences at school...I wouldn't make an excuse for her unless she really did have good reason. If it isn't finished cos it is too much/she doesn't understand the teacher needs to know that.
I wish I had taken the same approach with DD1 from the start ...

Mummyoflittledragon · 08/09/2016 20:06

DD was in yr3 last year and didn't always do her homework. Some weeks I was too ill to help her. She doesn't learn on her own. There were no reprisals from teachers for not handing work in. She had one or two pieces of homework a week and some of it took a long time. She did times tables and 12 spellings tests weekly. If at your ds's school, they are very short pieces of homework taking no more than 20 mins, this still seems quite a lot

If your ds refuses to do his homework, it should never be a battle. I would talk to the teacher. They may be able to set him up with a school sticker chart or something. Eg a sticker when you tell school each time he takes time to learn times tables/spellings and a sticker each time he does his homework. They did something like this for DD in yr1 and the teacher also got named stickers for her. Dd got one if she did the two things she was supposed to do every day for the week.

You could also do a rewards chart for this at home or a marble jar. However it would probably work better if it came from school. And as his parents, I think he's too little to "punish" him for not doing something, which actually is only voluntary.

babybythesea · 08/09/2016 20:20

If you want to look at evidence, I think the main bodies of research show that there is no evidence to support the idea that homework at primary has an effect on educational outcome.

DD1 is Y3. She gets nowhere near that amount. For that I am grateful. She does an after school club most nights (Brownies, swimming etc etc). I work. By the time I have got home, sorted dinner, done the after school club run, it is pretty much bath time for both kids. Hen Dd2 goes to bed, with bedtime story etc. then I can deal with getting Dd1 into bed. She reads to me, I read to her, she's in bed at 8.30. So she does a bit of reading every night. We have one piece of homework each week - might be maths, might be story writing, might be a bit of research for science or history. We do that on a Sunday, as she dances on a Saturday morning and then we spend Saturday afternoon as a family as Dh works Sundays.

To get 30 minutes a night done, even including reading, we'd have to either go to bed even later, or not do the after school clubs and frankly, she loves the clubs she does, they broaden her outlook and give her a chance to make friends out of school. And they offer her an extra chance to run around which she needs - she's a ball of energy.

So to me, what you've described sounds like a huge and unnecessary amount. And I'd struggle to ensure it was completed. She could do it while I cooked, I suppose. But I like sitting with her while she does it. I don't often help, but watching her I can see where she's finding things difficult and either mention it to the teacher or try and think of ways to explain it to her myself.

babybythesea · 08/09/2016 20:31

And to the airheads who don't have enthusiasm comment, what bs!

I don't see the value in large amounts of homework. But I don't see that classrooms have to have four walls and a roof. Learning happens any time, anywhere, not always with a book in front of you.
Kids do a huge amount of learning all the time, every day, and that's every bit as valuable as book and rote learning.

And I speak as someone who did a BSc at uni, then did an MA (in a completely different, professional, field) in my spare time after starting work, and then went on to do the start of a BA in History and Literature, also in my spare time, before the prices went up and made it unaffordable for me. And who has since done various free online courses including an intense 3 month one related to my job and a completely unrelated psychology one, just because I fancied it.

I don't see the value in masses of homework, I think there is much value to be had elsewhere and we all too easily lose sight of this, and get caught up in the idea that our children cannot possibly be learning if they are not holding a pen, but I like to think I am far from being an airhead. And in case you are still reading, my Masters is in Education.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 08/09/2016 20:48

DD had all this last year in Yr1. She turned 6 over the summer hols so it was a bit of a slog all year as we both work FT. Other than nightly reading everything else got left to the weekend which make it more of an ordeal. To be fair it sounds worse than it is. "Maths" was a sheet of simple puzzles with coin counting and similar stuff. 10 spellings but often a variation on a theme - beg, leg, etc. It's only an issue if the school have a fit that it's not being done. Ours were pretty relaxed and if they can't do a spelling test weekly then the SATS are going to be a bit WTF for any child so I can see the value in making it "just another test".

Lukesme · 08/09/2016 21:32

My dt are the same age. 1 maths 1 project over a half term. Spellings reading and tables. I am single mum and we get in the house at about 515 after work they are in bed (and need to be ) by 715 2 hours is not enough time to fit in something everyday as well as a decent meal bath cuddles and refereeing the usual squabbles. Because loads if ppl didn't do it last year they have now brought in a points system so the highest gets an award so now it emotional blackmail. I am a lecture and certainly not averse to academic advancement but really 7 yr old with something every night. I am also advised that there is no evidence that it makes any difference (other than reading with them). More bean counting and tick lists for the government who think it will give them something to crow about. I am very happy with the project though because it can be done in a fun way with visits photos craft etc. The rest is the bane of my life but DT are oblivious so far.

dorisdog · 08/09/2016 21:57

In Wales, they don't have homework or testing at primary school. (Apart from some unobtrusive testing to check general national standards). I love this about the schools in Wales. No academies, no free schools. You don't have to worry too much about which school to pick as they're all of a fairly similar standard. Underfunded and cutting the arts like crazy :-( but otherwise...

Pilgit · 08/09/2016 22:22

There is no evidence that homework at this age is of any benefit. Reading yes but the rest? I dread it and if we had this amount I dont know if we'd manage. DD is at after school club 4 nights a week and only has about 45 -60 mins at home before bedtime and she needs to eat in that time. To be honest I don't want the short time we have every day dominated by homework. We are engaged parents but both work full time. This amount assumes a stay at home parent. We don't know what ours will be yet but she's got a homework diary so it's not looking hopeful. ..

Phatmummyclarke · 08/09/2016 22:32

Sounds pretty much like what my kids get, homework is to engage parents as much as the kids. Don't stress if it doesn't all get done

Baileysagain · 08/09/2016 22:49

I think my DC must go to the same school, that sounds typical of my DDs homework when she was in year 3.

MuddlingMackem · 08/09/2016 23:02

OP, it sounds a lot to me.

In my DC's primary homework is one piece of maths and one of literacy each week, given out on the Monday and to be handed in by the Friday.

FWIW, my DD's spelling was always pretty ropey, until she started reading for fun. Since then her spelling has improved immensely, so maybe just scrap the spelling tests and double the reading time. Grin

PrinceHansOfTheTescoAisles · 08/09/2016 23:13

Ds has had that level of homework since year one (minus the times tables) but yes, it is a lot. Poor boy :(

estheryan111 · 09/09/2016 00:03

Yes that is far too much!
I get so angry when DD comes home with loads of home work, the maths is horrendous! She's 9 and for the last 3 years the homework she's brought home, she has no clue on how to do it! It's US teaching her the maths! It's not a follow up on that day's lessons and 10 extra questions just to make sure it's all gone in. No no no they won't touch the subject in hand till the kids have done their homework and know how to do it once their parents have taught them. They'll then be quizzed on it at school!! It's back to front!

Hockeydude · 09/09/2016 00:06

It sounds an ordinary amount to me for Y3. Both mine did HW almost identical to what you put in the OP.

DarkDarkNight · 09/09/2016 00:36

It's far too much Sad. The new curriculum is awful, but that's what you get when Michael Gove is in charge. It is incredibly shortsighted. British children falling behind? Well we'll work them harder, test them more, pile on the pressure. Our children already start school so young, what they need is more play not less.

The argument that infant and primary children need homework to prepare them for senior school is nonsense. I never had homework at primary yet knew once I started senior school I would, it's not like it was a surprise.

Peanutbutterpussycat · 09/09/2016 06:41

Dd is 5 and she will be getting 4-6 books per week, weekly homework, phonics test papers and a list of 10 spellings! Year 1, standard primary school.
When she started reception last year she got homework on the second day Confused

NoCapes · 09/09/2016 08:50

Wow peanut that is a lot!!

Thankyou for all of the suggestions, I sat down with him last night and made a plan, he's agreed to read 5 pages with me 4 nights a week (he really does hate reading out loud, he reads loads by himself) so I'm just going to write in his diary what he's read independently too
I've wrote next weeks spellings on paper and stuck them on the wall at the kitchen table so he's no choice but to look at them (thankyou for that suggestion) and we've decided which days he'll do homework, he's adamant he doesn't want to go to homework club again but I've told him any tantrums and he'll be going
The times tables I'm literally just going to go through them on the walk to school/in the car at weekends

Hopefully it won't feel like we're constantly doing school work
Hopefully!

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