To scream in frustration because I cannot eat meat?

[Cocklodger]

I'll probably be hugely outted by this as I've never met anyone who suffers the same I can feel a NC coming on
But I feel so frustrated. I posted on a thread about this but just want to get some opinions etc on the situation so decided fuck it may as well post one of my own.
Unsure if relevant but my mums a vegetarian (By choice) Father isn't. As a baby I was weaned on whatever everyone else was having, by large. so I'd have bits off my dads plate, and my mums. Eating off my dads plate 9/10 meant I was sick. Or just gagged and wouldn't swallow it, even if the chunks of food were manageable. By the time I was 3 and starting nursery the nursery staff had the same issue with me. If the food I ate was meat or came into contact with a large amount of meat oil/fat (the latter causing a lot less problems than the former) They reported this to my mum over a fortnight. Mum took me to the doctors.
Doctor suggested I just didn't like meat and said to tell if thats the case (or if its a psychological thing somehow) to 'spike' my food somewhat. which my mum did. I failed to detect anything wrong with each meal, Threw up each time(Spiked me 3 times) . When we went to my doctors appointment again he said Oh well she's in good health just make sure you give her these food groups and make sure she gets such and such vitamins.. righty-o then. Throughout my life I've attempted to go to the doctors but have been told much of the same really. That I'm in good health, get what I need from my diet and what do I want them to do? Well, find out WHY I'm chundering within no more than 90 mins of eating meat.
Still to this day I try a bit of meat off DH's plate, sometimes DH will 'spike' me again with meat, and conceal it with quorn and a strong-ish flavor (like a garlic sauce) which results in me puking. But I want to eat meat. This has been going on for years and years, since I was a baby/toddler really.
No one understands as being allergic to all (white and red) meat is not a recognized allergy, but to my understanding you can be allergic to red meat. But again that isn't really known, so at a restaurant there is always one dickhead there that bangs on and on and on about how its impossible, how I should just 'try a bit' and I'll be fine. A couple of times this has ended in me giving in and puking by the time we're ready to leave and probably offending a chef or three. I do try to say I'm a vegetarian nowadays and some people fancy arguing it with me (How its daft to be a tree hugger yadayadayada...) which is annoying as its not my choice but I feel I cannot say that as there is always one person who thinks I'm talking out of my ass basically.
AIBU to just want to scream in frustration with this? :(

Where I agree that allergy testing and support is extremely substandard (I had to really push for testing), I'm inclined to 'side with' the doctors here. You know that it makes you ill to eat meat. You keep eating it anyway. It's comparatively easy to eat a vegetarian diet in this country. Health wise, the sensible thing to do is avoid something that makes you sick, not to medicate yourself so you can tolerate it. I think if not knowing the exact reason is bothering you this much then the best course is to pay for private testing.

I know a woman who is allergic to animal protein. It is pretty severe - to the extent that she cannot eat from a frying pan that has also had meat cooked in it. I am Not sure how she found that out, but she has been vegetarian for over 30 years. I know it is rough for her.
Hope you eventually get some answers. It sounds awful.

FPIES is Food Protein Induced Enterocolitis Syndrome. It was one of the diagnoses floated for my son but it is supposed to be a syndrome children outgrow.

EE is worth investigating OP. You probably need to see an allergist.

It's not a good idea to keep on trialling meat with your reactions. If it is food intolerance, resting the gut can actually mean in future you can tolerate the food if you get lucky. If you do keep trialling meat protein, do one at a time and start with a quarter tsp and build up slowly.

Food intolerances can be as bloody awful as allergies. My son was tolerating 10 foods and now is on elemental formula at 18 years old. He will probably never go back on a normal diet.

It totally sucks to have food allergies/intolerance's. I have food pollen syndrome, gluten intolerance, allergy to nuts and am on a low sodium and diuretic diet because of a fucking stupid neurologist fucking up my life health condition. I am a complete bundle of fun when it comes to meal times😕

I have heard about this in a documentary, but never met anyone who is intolerant to meat. I hope those around you can take it into consideration, must be really tough :/ fwiw - on that documentary (bbc somewhere, ages ago) there was people that also grew out of the intolerance, for lack of better wording. It can disappear again, if you're very lucky!

And reading on this, the Lone Star tick can make you allergic to red meat, if it bites you.

Coeliac disease is still an intolerance to gluten - created by the autoimmune issue. I'm not saying it isn't an autoimmune disorder, but it is still also a gluten intolerance situation. (As opposed to an allergy).
Lactose intolerance is generally due to a lack of lactase - but it's still an intolerance.

StUmbrage - thanks for explaining what FPIES is.

Mickey, Was there any need to be so rude?
I'm sick of it being minimized by doctors, No I don't expect the average person to understand it, But I do expect a doctor to at least look into it or make a suggestion as to why it happens. I have never had any tests done other than a few blood tests when I was a child.
The suggestions I have had on this thread as to what might be the cause has been more suggestions than I have ever had from a doctor in my entire life. For that I'm happy despite the odd arsey comment on this thread.
No suggestions are ever made by Dr's. Another reason I'm annoyed with GP's.
Quorn and the like (Asda and sainsbury's now have their own brand versions, still quite expensive) can be really expensive and poor value to boot. People are rude about it, whether I tell them the truth or minimize it.
Why should I deal with that when I don't even want to be a vegetarian?

I am also intolerant to meat, I really just avoid it now but it's a shame because I love the taste and smell of meat but can not eat it.

Iv not ate meat (except for the very occasional test) for about 14 years. In this country it's really easy to avoid it. Just make sure protein is replaced by another source.

Meals that traditionaly contain meat like Christmas dinner lasagne etc are easy to alter

I have heard of people having medically diagnosed allergies to the chemical fish release if they die when stressed. I'm not sure if mammals and birds do this or maybe you are allergic to an increased hormone in the animal.

That's a reaction to the high histamine content in scombroid toxin produced in some fish, Wriggly www.emedicinehealth.com/wilderness_scombroid_poisoning/article_em.htm
It's usually due to bacterial breakdown of the fish, from poor storage etc. and only affects people who are sensitive to high levels of histamine, iirc.

Cocklodger Why not pay for a private GP? I'm sure they will carry out the tests you want.

The NHS is not a bottomless pit. You know exactly what causes your vomiting and, sorry to minimise it, but it is ONLY vomiting. Why should they carry out tests when the answer is still going to be "Stop eating this thing that you know makes you ill"?

DD1 cannot eat red meat at all. Fortunately, she can eat white meat, but she is also allergic to fish. I had doctors telling me it was impossible to be allergic to red meat and tried to force feed her, much again my wishes. So it could well be that you are intolerant of meat, no matter how much it appeals to you. Sorry.

I know someone! She wasn't sick but got dreadful tummy ache and needed surgery once to remove a blockage, caused by her eating meat, she needed part of her intestine removed. She is also now vegetarian.

She'd never heard of anyone like her either.

OP...as a GP, i will say that most of the things suggested here I would not know about ...GPs are not super specialists in everything. And some of the things suggested do not have robust scientific research to back them up as diagnosis.
A lot is hypothesising, which does not make then false or quackery but means that they may not be established in western medicine. But some of it probably is quackery . In this day and age everyone wants ' an answer' when often there just isn't one, hence the increase in wierder and weirder possible diagnoses.

You can explore these with private doctors who will charge a fair wack to do tests which again may or may not have a true scientific value , or I am sorry to say you just have to accept it.

I would love to know why I am now allergic to champagne...but i also know the nhs and my gp do not know and medicine in general does not know and that is it .

Even if you had an answer it most likely would not change the situation...

so you can pay a lot for some 'answers' or use the money to do something more life affirming...maybe a vegetarian cooker course ?

"Why should I deal with that when I don't even want to be a vegetarian?"

Now you're just sounding petulant. It's difficult to sympathise when there are people with far, far worse health problems. Not being able to scarf down dead animals without puking really is fairly minor in the grand scale of things.

Seems like your main objection is paying a bit more for Quorn or an equivalent. I presume the cost to the NHS to investigate your intolerance would be negligible.
As wild as it sounds I think NHS resources should be directed to life-saving treatments, and not 'investigating' your lack of hotdog tolerance.

meat allergy is known about theres actually a tick that can cause it .So research has been done on meat allergy's

i think its one of those things you will have to pester the doctors about .If they dont listen sign up with a new doctor and ask them keep bothering people .Research what the nhs does for allergy,find out if there are any specialists you can call.Keep bugging people till you get a answer

Why should I deal with that when I don't even want to be a vegetarian?

Because that's what you do when you have and allergy or intolerance.

I want to be to have porridge for breakfast. I want to be able to have rice with a meal and not check the pack when someone offers me a biscuit.

Dbro wants a gin and tonic.

Chances are you just can't eat it for no reason and you will have to deal with it. It's a pain. But doable

i think its one of those things you will have to pester the doctors about .If they dont listen sign up with a new doctor and ask them keep bothering people .Research what the nhs does for allergy,find out if there are any specialists you can call.Keep bugging people till you get a answer

What a huge waste of NHS money and resources. If the OP didn't know the trigger and/or the reaction was more severe (like difficulty breathing) then I could understand it. But despite not knowing the precise biology behind why, she does know that meat makes her sick. A huge number of people avoid eating meat as a lifestyle choice and it's a choice that's well catered for in this country. She also knows that she's fit and healthy. How many NHS appointments is it acceptable to waste to work out why when there's such an obvious solution?

What a huge waste of NHS money and resources. If the OP didn't know the trigger and/or the reaction was more severe (like difficulty breathing) then I could understand it. But despite not knowing the precise biology behind why, she does know that meat makes her sick. A huge number of people avoid eating meat as a lifestyle choice and it's a choice that's well catered for in this country. She also knows that she's fit and healthy. How many NHS appointments is it acceptable to waste to work out why when there's such an obvious solution?

because she has a right to know and how do we know this is not the symptom of something else.I think its ridiculous in this country that you can fobbed off when you have a genuine problem.

I don't believe in fobbing off a medical problem no medical problem should ever be encored .Don't assume, know it understand it if you dont know .Not only that but if this was our attitude to allot of medical condition's how would there be treatments.Treatments come about when a problem has been discovered and researched.

In this world if we never asked why how did we learn

In life always ask why why why

To the writer of this thread you have a right to know what this is make yourself heard find others with your condition and research this till you find a answer

Rude? Catch a grip on yourself. I am a vegetarian by choice but have coeliac disease. It is an awful lot easier to be vegetarian than coeliac. Do you think a doctor should do exhaustive tests to figure out 'why me!'? No you just behave like a grown up and realise that you can't eat meat, accept it and move on.

Another coeliac here, diagnosed as an adult. Sometimes we can't have what we want and there's no rhyme or reason. Our NHS is at breaking point and does not have the resources to spend on a condition that has a very simple solution.

mickey you have been diagnosed coeliac disease she has no diagnose .I am not saying why me but saying she deserves a diagnosis to know exactly what it is