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To find watching the gymnastics utterly depressing?

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GandalfsWrinklyHat · 09/08/2016 21:53

Watching the olympics - gymnastics on right now. Think it's the team competition bit. I know nothing about gymnastics at all, and am in awe of all those girls doing what they're doing, but they are SO YOUNG. And I cannot imagine that they could have had much of a childhood at all. I just find it so depressng. And they must surely know pain? You cannot train to do what they're doing and not experience a lot of pain. Somebody set me straight. I actually feel quite guilty for watching... Am I wrong?

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/08/2016 23:19

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It's called abortion doping and has not been proven either way - given the length some will go to it would not surprise me.

It think the puberty being delayed and abortion doping comments were unrelated.

SoupDragon · 09/08/2016 23:24

There's no way the Chinese girls are that age.

You can not tell someone's age with 100% certainty just by looking at them.

NeedAScarfForMyGiraffe · 09/08/2016 23:25

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snowy508601 · 09/08/2016 23:26

friend told me that the children were not allowed to eat on the day they competed until after the podium ceremony, so they didn't look bloated in photos.

what a load of bollox! have you any idea how much energy it takes to do multiple tumbling passes ! Can you imagine staying on the beam doing an Arabian feeling a bit light headed. Why on earth would her coaches care what her body looked like on the podium?

I have worked with all levels of gymnasts and there is NO WAY you could force a child to be an elite gymnast, they have to, and do, want it 150%. A couple of weeks ago one of our FIG girls hurt her shoulder on the bars learning something new and had to be dragged AWAY kicking and screaming because she was so determined to get it, she wanted to try again and again instead of giving her shoulder a rest!

Yes conditioning hurts, stretching can be very uncomfortable but I see kids crying and throwing up after triathlons,
Chinese athletes are given lovely house for their families to live in and private school places for their siblings etc, then when they don't do well it is all taken away.They are put under a lot of psychological pressure.

Jubaloo442 · 09/08/2016 23:28

There are some interesting documentaries on this. Check out YouTube. The former soviet bloc used to 'talent scout' v young children, take them to boarding school where they would do gymnastics full time. It was seen as an honourable thing to be selected, to represent one's country, and also bring in a better income to your family..but as you can imagine for such young kids it would be difficult.
Not sure how much it happens now, I get the feeing things have cooled off a bit. You might want to read Olga Korbut's biography for an eye opener. V different to what would have been acceptable in the UK.

The female gymnasts in this Olympics are 16-41. The lower age limit is there for a reason - to ensure that they are more able to cope with the challenges of international competition. It's a career, whether they are at the start or end. They take it seriously, but actually, I've seen more smile in this competition than in previous Olympics.

Training hours are long, but similarly because the physical and mental sacrifices are such, the gymnasts wouldnt be there unless they wanted to be. When I stopped absolutely loving it, I stopped competing. It wasn't worth it anymore. Nobody forces these athletes to carry on.

As for the 'screaming in pain' thing, the coaches are doing something wrong if that is the case. There's discomfort (which can be sort of nice) caused by stretching (think yoga) and then there's very real pain / injury caused by over-stretching.
Given the hours that these athletes train, their bodies are, over many years, conditioned to be strong yet flexible. It shouldn't require pain to do that - it should be a long term strategy. Apparently you could wake up these competitors at 3am and ask them to do the splits - they'd be able to do it with no warm up and no discomfort - you don't get that from forcing your body into positions it hasn't been conditioned for.

As for the injuries, count the bandages / supports / tapes holding the gymnasts together!!! They are doing intense physical activity for up to 30 hours a week, so yes, in the long term, ankles get weak, knees get sore, shoulders pop out. This'd be the case in most Olympic level sports though?
In the long term it's a weight bearing activity which is thought to reduce the risk of osteoporosis, whereas something like ballet does not bear so much weight and (I think!) has a much more negative impact on bone density.
I know that I wouldn't have half the back / knee discomfort I have these days if I hadn't been a gymnast, but at the same time I wouldnt hesitate to encourage my child if they were interested and committed enough. Well worth it for the personal attributes e.g. good teamwork, determination to keep going after an injury, accepting that you aren't the best at something, time management, personal organisation.....etc etc...

Sorry for mega reply?!?!

Scuttle22 · 09/08/2016 23:29

Actually gymnastics can cause serious damage to the spine in young children before they stop growing, there is a lot written about it in medical journals.

Jubaloo442 · 09/08/2016 23:34

scuttle isn't it something to do with them being given inappropriate exercises to do (I.e. too weight bearing)? I think that as awareness has grown coaches have changed practice. The governing body issue pretty regular guidance to coaches about changes in best practice.

snowy508601 · 09/08/2016 23:35

How on earth can anyone really prove the girls are over 16? There's no way the Chinese girls are that age
Chinese girls are naturally more petite and younger looking than western girls.All of the gymnasts will have competed on the junior scene for years , I think it would be very difficult for a gymnast to just appear from nowhere at the Olympics claiming to be 15 (they have to turn 16 in the year of competition).

BikeGeek · 09/08/2016 23:36

There's no way the Chinese girls are that age.

Shang Chungsong has been competing internationally for at least 3 years, yet people still insist that she must be under 16 because of her appearance.

Women (and men) in that part of the world are often very petite by Western standards (I sometimes wonder how one of my friends fits her insides in!)

AndiiPandii · 09/08/2016 23:37

not quite on point but CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE HELL THEY CAN DO A JUMP IN THE AIR AND DO THE SPLITS YES IN THE AIR?

Seriously how do you train to do that. I can see that if you stretch etc over time you could do the splits on the ground but honestly how can you manage to pull your legs that far apart in the air unsupported.
how do you train to do that at all?

My mind is boggled and I want to know. Seriously. How????

NeedAScarfForMyGiraffe · 09/08/2016 23:38

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snowy508601 · 09/08/2016 23:38

you could wake up these competitors at 3am and ask them to do the splits - they'd be able to do it with no warm up and no discomfort - you don't get that from forcing your body into positions it hasn't been conditioned for.
I did an ' accidental splits' by stepping backwards into a swimming pool and afterwards, i could do the box splits which I was nowhere near before!!

Jubaloo442 · 09/08/2016 23:41

Andii it's easier in the air as you sort of have a bit of momentum to get your legs up?! Sorry, that's not v technical.

sglodion · 09/08/2016 23:41

I think they're amazing. Their bodies are so strong. I don't doubt that they are all under an incredible amount of pressure and that they train constantly

CocktailQueen · 09/08/2016 23:41

ALL Olympic athletes will have trained hard all their childhood to be there today. Not just gymnasts.

RedorDread · 09/08/2016 23:41

I LOVED gymnastics when I were a lass, then I discovered boys.

Honestly, no pain here. It's all about warming up, stretching and becoming incredibly supple. I was so bendy I could do a chin balance, bring my feet over and touch my head. It becomes second nature and as long as you work at stretching every day then there shouldn't be pain enough to make you scream.

Jubaloo442 · 09/08/2016 23:41

snowy Grin

sglodion · 09/08/2016 23:43

Bollocks posted too quickly and can't remember what I was going to say! Slightly squiffy on a school night, just ignore me Blush

AndiiPandii · 09/08/2016 23:45

Jubaloo

Andii it's easier in the air as you sort of have a bit of momentum to get your legs up?! Sorry, that's not v technical.

Not only is it not v. technical it's incomprehensible. :)

Those split jumps often the legs are pulled up slightly beyond a pure split - ie more split that you would be on the floor. I don't understand how you can get your quads (I assume it is they) to actually pull your legs up that high without something to push against (like the floor again).
How how how?

Jubaloo442 · 09/08/2016 23:48

Erm, honestly? You practise doing the splits with your front leg on a raised surface, so you're at more than 180 degrees. It feels quite nice actually!!!!

Jubaloo442 · 09/08/2016 23:49

Ah, I see what you're asking. I suppose you get the power from rebounding off of the floor (which is quite sprung).

RedorDread · 09/08/2016 23:50

Surely the athletes passports would prove their age Hmm

AGenie · 09/08/2016 23:50

My ds did gymnastics for a while, but then had a bad accident. I went to the class to ask how we could avoid that happening again and all the coaches crowded round me together and said gymnastics is really quite dangerous and they'd all had bad falls. Once said she was phobic about the parallel bars and that was why she was on the reception desk all the time.

The really creepy thing was that they then crowded round ds who was then 5, looked him straight in the eye, and said "But you can't quit now! If you quit now, you'll be a Quitter For Life!"

We quit the gymnastics there and then and took up electronics instead. We have never looked back, and ds still does loads of safe tumbling on the couch and bed at home.

ssd · 09/08/2016 23:50

I did gymnastics and remember the pain of being stretched and getting your back bones cracked ouch!

ssd · 09/08/2016 23:51

and yes to doing the splits with the front leg raised on a bench