to go to church on Sunday despite not having been for many years?

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I'll be on holiday in France. Would like to do something to show these ISIL fuckers that we are not scared of them, and they won't destroy a proud culture which shows them up for the uncivilized filth that they are.

Yanbu. Please go - and pray for our fucked up world and that these primitive minded losers, peddling their miserable rhetoric, are somehow wiped out before they cause more misery and pain to the rest of us.

I feel I want to not only go to church but to a temple a mosque a synagogue - you name it - none of these atrocities are carried out by truly religious people.

I think that would be a great way to show solidarity.

Yanbu. I'll be doing the same, even though these days I usually only ever go to church for weddings and funerals.

We go to France next Wednesday and will be going to every church we see.

These fuckers are scum.

You'd be very welcome at my church moonstruck. That's a nice idea.

TheSun, I've been on threads on other forums where people have quoted the same things you have and almost always there are equally offensive passages of the bible quoted back. I am a Christian too, but I know that there are parts of the bible which would be considered unacceptable today. I don't think Islam is to blame any more than Christianity is to blame for any of the atrocities committed in its name; I believe it is the fault of the disgusting subhumans who decide to interpret their 'faith' that way for their own personal or political gains.

The old testament was fulfilled and superseded by the coming of Jesus Christ, and the New Testament. Where are these offensive passages in the New Testament?

Well said, Stevie. OP you are absolutely NBU.

I'll be going, but then I go every week and am singing in the Worship band on Sunday.

I'd be lying if I hadn't wondered if something like this would happen and had been worried about it. It won't stop me going though.

Evil bastards.

Hear, hear stevie

moonstruck -please don't feel ashamed. Most decent people do know that Daesh is just hijacking Islam for it's own ends.

We can only pray to whoever our hearts lead us to pray to, for an end to this madness.

I'm not about to start looking these old threads up TheSun - I'm sure you're right in thinking they were from the Old Testament, though I honestly can't remember. I don't want to get into a debate with anyone about it tbh, it's just too sad an incident and it gives me a strong distaste for conflict of any sort especially on this thread which is to do with a gesture of unity and solidarity. God bless (I know I can say that to you without offending) .

I'm not asking for threads, but passage and verse of the Bible. If you believe what your saying, that the Bible contains these offensive passages, then be prepared to back it up! You can't its, because they aren't there.

God bless you, too.

Moonstruck at my little church, you'd get hugged to bits.

It's abhorrent. And yellow I'd like to think that you think you're helping but you're not.

This isn't about Islam and the Koran. This about power and the vehicle in which people phrase that attempt to gain power. I am a Catholic and have a strong faith but I understand that there are parts of the Bible which are outdated and offensive. This isn't about nitpicking and finding phrases in a Holy Book that can be used to deny what is the practise of that religion day-to-day. Everyday practising Muslims bear no relationship with these people who are terrorists in much the same way that I don't have a kinship with Christians in America who bomb abortion clinics or spit on homosexuals. By your rationing, because [part of] the Bible say it's ok all us Christians thinks it's ok.

moon please know that huge swathes of the population do not believe that you bear any sort of responsibility for this just because you follow the same religion. You don't and your religion is one of the most welcoming and understanding that I have come across.

TheSuns what you are saying is irrelevant-ISIS/Daesh followers are not mainstream Muslims, if they are actually Muslim at all, that is just their excuse for terrorism . Islam teaches that Christians and Jews are fellow 'People of the Book' ( Old Testament) and should be respected. Jesus is also respected as a prophet (Issa). I am Christian by the way and cried when I heard this on the news.

Moonstruck you and people like you are responsible for this in the same way that I am responsible for the Spanish Inquisition. This isn't about faith, it's about creating fear and division.

We attend mass weekly as a family but tomorrow morning I will attend our churches daily service too. We need to show the world that it has not lost faith, we have not lost heart and this small minority of terrorists will not prevail.

dear sunyellow, my respect for Christianity and Judaism, and Christians and Jews, does not conflict with the Quran but rather originates from it. i have many friends who are christians and jews because i know on the subject of friendship which you quoted above, that specific verse was about war not peacetime. others verses attest to that...

"As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, Allah does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, Allah loves those who act equitably." (Quran 60:8)

"Allah only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers!" (Quran 60:9)

"Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth." (Quran 7:159)

"And We caused Jesus, the son of Mary, to follow in the footsteps of those (earlier prophets), confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah; and We sent him the Gospel, wherein there was guidance and light, confirming the truth of whatever there still remained of the Torah, and as a guidance and admonition unto the God-conscious." (Quran 5:46)

"Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians – all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve." (Quran 2:62)

"Among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is he who, if entrusted with a Cantar (a great amount of wealth, etc.), will readily pay it back; and among them there is he who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless you constantly stand demanding, because they say: "There is no blame on us to betray and take the properties of the illiterates (Arabs)." But they tell a lie against Allah while they know it." (3:75)

"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous."(Quran 3:113-114)

And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God. They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (Quran 3:199)

No one need feel they have to justify themselves on a thread about showing solidarity in bad times.

thank you stevie, originalLEM, mooing, moreis, amazinggrace, zippy bakewell for letting me come on here and share my grief with everyone. i hope when i do go to a service this sunday that it will also be taken in a good light and not as an interloper, this us vs them is between evildoers and the rest of humanity not islam vs christianity.

shame is so much more difficult to rationalise than guilt we muslims try to carry on as normal but inside it is excruciating to many of us to see how much terror and hooliganism is carried out with these evildoers saying 'islam, islam' along the way.

i wouldnt blame people for thinking this is what islam is about and it almost verges on the ridiculous to try to say otherwise when people like IS go around proclaiming theyre doing it for the religion. if i wasnt a muslim and the only thing i heard about muslims was from the daily mail and the bbc and sky news what to think except islam is barbarous as every report about muslims seems to contain the word barbarous. we do not even get enough time to explain how abhorrent these acts are to us before another atrocity occurs. like everyone i am horrified and i hate that as well as having shared planetary oxygen with such scum, they 'nominally' shared the same faith. horrible horrible, so sorry

I haven't been to church in years. I will b going on Sunday. I want to pray for the world. It's such a fucked up time we live in. I feel so angry that this is done in the name of Allah. Just as I'm angry at all the shit done in God's name.
We are all children of this planet. Religion should not devide us. We need to unite and live peacefully on this earth. After all. It will be hear longer than we will.
Love and peace to all tonight

I think lighting a candle if you pass a church is a comforting thing to do. May Fr. Jacques rest in peace.