To think western Governments need to fight against Saudi Arabian Wahhabism

[TheSuze]

Well that really, muslims are being radicalised around the world in Saudi funded Islamic schools. Saudi Arabia is funding mosques in UK, France and Germany.

Islam can be peaceful and loving, but Wahhabism isn't. We can't keep being attacked we need to stop Saudi Arabia who is the root of all radicalisation. Im not saying military action, but we need to stop appeasing the Saudi's.

Yasmin-alibhai-brown is completely right on this. Please read www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-evil-empire-of-saudi-arabia-is-the-west-s-real-enemy-a6669531.html

Once the US has no need of Saudi Oil, it will have no interest in stability in the Middle East.

but but but what about all of Israels nukes??

I totally agree . We need to stop sucking up to Saudi Arabia and their oil money. If that means nuclear energy and fracking, so be it. Once the Jihadists are a poor ragbag bunch of losers, they lose their power over people. We need to stop the Wahhabi's funding mosques and preachers. Cut them off. It is our reliance on oil from the ME that is at the heart of this and the reason Western governments don't really sort out the Saudis. That and the fact the City of London is awash with sorry money and Saudi investment.

Absolutely agree, they've known this for decades and turned a blind eye.

If that means nuclear energy and fracking, so be it.

The problem is we've non-educated the population to run a mile from either in favour of windmills .

What lurkingsaid !!

Nothing is as straight forward as it appears. Without our commercial relationship with the Kingdom our own economy would have been in a far weaker economic position over the last 30 years.
It's also wrong to suggest that Wahhabism defines the whole of Saudi and represents its entire population.
A primary problem is that members of the Sudairi 7 still hold the balance of power. These are the remaining sons of King Abdulaziz, the founder of the modern day KSA. Until their grip is loosened then nothing will change. Not because of the will of the majority of the people but because it is an absolute monarchy in the truest sense.

drivinmecrazy
I am not entirely delighted that our economy has been propped up by the Al Yamamah arms deal
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yamamah_arms_deal

Without our commercial relationship with the Kingdom our own economy would have been in a far weaker economic position over the last 30 years.

True. All those torture instruments (and presumably training to go with them). Then there's the jets, the tanks ....

Pressed send too soon

I agree abut the role of the Sudiari 7. They have an awful lot to lose so keep a vicelike grip on power.

Lurking
Classic X Post - we both had exactly the same thought

and the revenue and jobs that have been secured over the years. i'm sure there are many families here in UK who have been kept in employment through these contracts. It was not only BAE employees, but all the subsidiary industries that supplied the major contracts.
It's all well and good to have a conscience, but if it were your nearest and dearest affected you might hold a different view. Morals are great if you can afford them.
And yes, thanyou for the useful link to the Al Yamamah deal, my Dad was one of the people over seeing the contract. Again, it's not safe to belief everything you read. There is still a huge legacy from that contract. It enabled many civilian projects to thrive. A large part of that was involved in non-military/government projects.
I personally know many people who have benefited, including Saudi women who now have independence and are now using their good fortune to support changes in Kingdom.
Unfortunately due to it being such an archaic Kingdom change will take time, will not happen at our pace, but it is never the less still happening

It's all well and good to have a conscience, but if it were your nearest and dearest affected you might hold a different view. Morals are great if you can afford them.

Good point. But don't complain when Saudi-sponsored terrorism bites your arse. While you are happily selling your morals, so are they.

And you might like to know that many of the jets we sold had no where near the capacity or range as you might think. The UK government made sure of that.
Any sales of our equipment came with very stringent controls. We most certainly never sold any equipment for the purposes of torture. What a load of nonsense.

I'm sure that the 30 million people who call Saudi their home will feel very touched that they alone are responsible for the rise of ISIS.

Are you so sure about those stringent controls. Even Parliament isn't entirely convinced

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/international-development-committee/news-parliament-20151/crisis-in-yemen-letter-publication-15-16/

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CDP-2016-0117

I'm sure that the 30 million people who call Saudi their home will feel very touched that they alone are responsible for the rise of ISIS.

Who said they were? Saudi Arabia is a repressive regime - I doubt the majority of the population has much influence on anything the Government choses to spend money on.

I'm sure that the 30 million people who call Saudi their home will feel very touched that they alone are responsible for the rise of ISIS.

Well, if they insist on electing reactionary governments, they deserve all they get.*

From the second link, "Recently, there have been allegations that UK-supplied armaments have been used by the Saudi armed forces in the context of their military operation in Yemen to commit violations of international humanitarian law and that UK personnel are close to the Saudi-led coalition’s targeting decisions. The UK Government says that it has faith in the UK’s export licensing regime to prevent that from happening, and that UK advisers are not part of the coalition but do sometimes advise on how to comply with international humanitarian law."

As for the first link, has there been a report published setting out their conclusions?

Electing? Lol.

So what do you suggest in terms of any action the UK should take that would improve things for the people of KSA and limit the global impact of ISIS?
I ask that as I would genuinely love to know because I cannot see how any actions we take will not affect the innocents.
And despite my quite extreme (and unpopular stance) I do agree that it is a hugely imperfect regime. I am not a sympathizer of any kind of oppression but equally I am not naive enough to believe that the solution is to imprint our societal and cultural values onto another region which is so diametrically opposite to our own.
But I guess if we could answer that question religion would never again been the root of any conflict.

One thing we could all do is stop seeing Saudi Arabia as the symbol of or proxy for the whole of islam. My DH is North African muslim and his culture and values are more similar to most Europeans than to Saudi Arabia.

Lurking, electing? I doubt the general populations gets any real say on who rules over them & KSA doesn't represent all of Islam, they're a small, very visible portion that is all and the truth of the matter is that nothing will change until we have nothing to gain from KSA, everyone's morals are up for sale.

Lurking, electing? I doubt the general populations gets any real say on who rules over them

That's why I put a "" after my comment. I'm well aware of the constitutional situation in the K*SA ... I was making the point that I am aware the 30,000,000 people in KSA have no say in what their government does. Not that I have to imaging too hard. I have no say in what the UK government does either. If I did, despite a letter to my MP (who replied "fuck off") we would not be involved in Syria.

Whoops, sorry Lurking, my fault for misunderstanding.