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To be really struggling and frightened about the rise of right?

71 replies

Rowanhart · 08/07/2016 00:22

The videos of two young black men being shot by police in US. Polish family having home set on fire here. Spray paint on Docs surgery saying 'EU Rats Go Home'. American man being shouted at on tram. Polish father and son beaten to pulp in street in London. My takeaway driver saying he has been racially abused twice in past two weeks 'Which came as a shock because it hadn't happened before...." Isis killing hundreds of Iraqis.

Trump, Leadsom, fucking Farage. People suddenly thinking it's okay to say stuff like 'They shouldn't be in this school anyway.." on Facebook about immigrant children in kids and grandkids class at primary school. Race baiting MPs prepared to play along with mob for personal gain.

Sharing of Britain First and UKIP anti-immigration filth on social media. Newsnight allowing Neo-Nazis to be interviewed unquestioned. The poor babies of Jo Cox without their mother. Brexit and its unholy shower of shit.

I just want my children to grow up in a tolerant, peaceful, harmonious world. I don't know if I'd have them now. I'm struggling with they way we are going and feel utterly helpless to make any difference.

OP posts:
SomeDaysIDontGiveAMonkeys · 08/07/2016 15:12

I'm Asian and my family members including wider family members have not seen any increase in racist behaviour. Tbh I think this is a deliberately alarmist post. In addition I personally believe the 'attack' on the polish family's shed to be fake and I'm confident that the police will announce in the not so distant future that they have decided that no further investigation is warranted and that they can confirm that the public is not in danger... blah, blah blah.

Rowanhart · 09/07/2016 00:13

Not attempting to be alarmist. Expressing genuine fears. Worried for future.

I do think it is time to fight back, so maybe the post who suggests I be more active politically may have a point.

OP posts:
bridgetoc · 09/07/2016 00:18

Get a grip OP!

lordStrange · 09/07/2016 00:19

To disagree, I think alarmist is the appropriate response.

Let's not shrug and say this is OK.

It really fucking isn't. We have a rise of nationalist hatred happening before us, here in the UK and the US. Let's not catch ourselves saying Oh well.

ginghambox · 09/07/2016 00:32

It's happening because because no one has listned to ordinary people, the labour party and the EU trying to force "multiculturism" on everyone it was bound to fail even that fucking idiot Merkel admits the experiment has failed.

BertrandRussell · 09/07/2016 00:37

What worries me is what will happen when the racist hangers on of the Leave campaign realise that a) nothing's going to happen for ages and b) it doesn't mean deporting Muslims...".....

ginghambox · 09/07/2016 00:39

Why would anyone be after deporting muslims

lordStrange · 09/07/2016 00:40

What the hell Gingham? Oh my god mumsnet is the literally fully of Daily Mail people now?

It's the end of everything now. WEEP.

mathanxiety · 09/07/2016 05:25

Indeed, BertrandRussell.

This has nothing to do with people not being listened to, or having anything forced on people.

The problem is people being led to believe that there are simple solutions to the complex problems of the 21st century. The associated problem is people wanting to believe that there are simple solutions to all problems. The knee jerk response elbows out critical thought every single time.

Mainstream media are openly identified with political positions, and nuanced thought (or more precisely the courage to print it or broadcast it) falls victim to the necessities dictated by the bottom line.

GarlicStake · 09/07/2016 05:57

If YABU, then so am I. And I'm incredibly well-informed at the moment, I've been mainlining current affairs for the past three months. I'm frightened and depressed. I've been making a difference in my tiny way, but I can't stop the bus to shitsville. It's speeding up and I'm trapped in it.

Dawndonnaagain · 09/07/2016 09:04

I'm afraid that in the county in which I live, in fact in the road in which I live, racism is on the increase. Dd has experienced it all through school. I have a neighbour who has informed me that she doesn't have to speak to me now because the vote said it was okay not to talk to foreigners. I was born in London in the fifties. I'm not even particularly dark, olive due to Spanish descent.

Dawndonnaagain · 09/07/2016 09:04

Oh, and just because it isn't happening to you and your family doesn't mean it isn't happening.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 09/07/2016 09:07

Yes you're right to be scared. There is no reason to think this will calm down.

Hate speech leads to hate crime. Simple.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 09/07/2016 09:08

I'm so sorry that's happened to you Donnaz

BlowingThroughTheJasmineinMyMi · 09/07/2016 09:50

Its depressing, its wrong and its vile.

But Tony Blair used Mass migration as a weapon, to run the rights nose in it. Too much migration too suddenly.
Its sad isn't it.
I also agree people need to wake up and understand the Far Left is as bad if not worse than the Far Right.

pigsDOfly · 09/07/2016 10:11

When the hatred and attacks on Jews started in Germany, one of the reasons so many of them ended up in the camps was because they didn't believe that the country, they were born in, grew up in, were educated in, had successful businesses in and brought their children into would turn on them and treat them like something less than animals: they were German citizens first and foremost; they believed they were safe in their own country.

But their country, their neighbours and their 'friends' did turn on them, in a spectacular way.

We mustn't under estimate what hatred can do: we have to learn from what history teaches. We need to look at what's happening around us and the sort of politicians we have at the moment. It certainly isn't a peaceful harmonious time we're living in.

Racism will never go away but every so often it is given licence to rise to the surface. The leave vote seems to have given a lot of people the impression that we are at that stage now.

pointythings · 09/07/2016 13:28

Auti the day after the referendum my DDs (who are Dutch/American, white, speak perfect English) were told to 'go back home' openly at school. As were many of their friends who happened to have Polish surnames. The school has cracked down with all guns blazing, thank goodness, and it has now stopped, but it should never have started. Just because this stuff isn't happening to you that does not mean it isn't happening - the Brexit vote has emboldened a nasty section of the UK population to express their disgusting views openly.

And these people will be disappointed when the mass deportation of EU immigrants doesn't happen - because it won't. What they will do then may well make the 2011 riots look like a picnic in the park.

firstandmiddle · 09/07/2016 13:31

I think the OP is deliberately trying to stir things up.
As someone pointed out, the post is alarmist.

PortiaCastis · 09/07/2016 13:36

Have a gift

To be really struggling and frightened about the rise of right?
Dawndonnaagain · 09/07/2016 14:05

as someone pointed out, the post is alarmist.
And as others have pointed out, this is happening. Your dismissal of our real life experience is rude, patronising and downright bloody scary.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 09/07/2016 14:09

The OP is alarmist because there is cause for alarm. Wake up and get out of your comfortable white suburban dream world.

Mrskeats · 09/07/2016 14:14

Oh ffs
The police are reporting a five fold rise in the number of racist attacks in the last 2 weeks
I know people want to bury their heads in the sand for obvious reasons
The attack on the Eastern European shop in Norwich? All made up too?
Wake up

SuckingEggs · 09/07/2016 14:16

So, you 'alarmist' lot, you're happy with life carrying on just as it is? With people told to fuck off home, etc?

Wow.

SuckingEggs · 09/07/2016 14:17

You're really part of the problem if you cannot even see that there is one.

Mrskeats · 09/07/2016 14:19

My best friend is Spanish but lives here
She's worried about people hearing her accent
A German lady in my town has had dog poo through her letterbox, she's lived here since the 1970s
Plenty of graffiti about
Some people on this site live in a dream world