To miss nick Clegg and the coalition

[Slutbucket]

The Tories are in disarray and they don't just seem to have got their act together since the election. How many budgets have not gone to plan and had to be rewritten since the election. I know they list confidence over the tuition fees but they went into the coalition for the best of the country.?where do we see that at the moment?

Nope don't miss the power hungry party damaging Nick clegg at all. The lib dems have been massively damaged by clegg. Which has made pariment basically just two parties. And no reasonable alternative to those main parties during elections.

I agree with floisme and I said it resently to my friend lib dems were damaged by clegg labour have been massively damaged by Blair who also went in to it for his own personal power not for the good of the party or in Blair's and to some extent Clegg's case, the good of the country.

The only thing I can say is let it be a warning to the Tories Boris comes from the Blair Clegg power school, he wants personal success and reputation!

Me too! 😢

YANBU!

I voted Lib Dem at the last election and actually cried when Nick Clegg resigned. I miss Vince Cable too.

Me too. I was a big fan of NC. Felt like he and the LDs effectively sacrificed themselves for the small good they could effect in government. I truly wonder what mess we'd be in now if the previous govt had been fully Tory as well as the current one.

i think the problem was 'we' didn't see lib dems do much out the front, but behind the scenes they were doing a lot, mostly saying "no" and blocking the worst of it.
But they made the mistake of not shouting about it, not telling us what they were doing.

The LDs were made scapegoats in the last election. It was clear within weeks of the results that the LDs had prevented the Tories doing their worst. I think people who punished the LDs for the tuition fees U-turn were foolish in the extreme.

If you miss them join. And email your MP urging them to do anything possible to not implement Article 50. It's not over yet.

I'm also joining today.

I would imagine the 'U turn' on fees was partly why so few young people (about a third, I understand) are believed to have bothered voting this time. Clegg has helped to create this problem and however able he and Cable may be, you can't just wheel them back as if nothing has happened.

I don't. I and nearly 1,000 of my colleagues lost our jobs under Nick and his buddies. I voted out by the way. Maybe if the farcical coalition hadn't happened, we would be in a better position today.

Must admit I thought Nick Clegg was the worst possible Judas turncoat when he first hopped in bed with the Tories.And I'm not saying I agree with everything the Coalition did,but all in all they did a good job.So no OP, YANBU

Furthermore I'll see your Nick Clegg and raise you a David Milliband. Surely if he'd been voted Labour leader rather than his DB he'd gave either won the GE,or at very worst ensured the Tories didn't get a majority.Which in turn would have meant no referendum.

YANBU

I really wanted a coalition as a result of last years election.

Now people know why .

However, being sanguine, it should be clear to the more reasoning that what the whole Brexit issue has done - and maybe we should look on it as a plus (lemonade anyone ?) - is reveal that the C19th and C20th division of "Capital" and "Labour" are now obsolete (and probably have been for a while).

Quite what the new political reality will be, is anyones guess. Whatever it is, it will have to reflect a population that generally chooses it's MP based on rosette colour rather than policy.

These are the "interesting times" the Chinese wished on their enemies.

ShoesieQ and OP - YANBU.... He must be growling...'I told you so'...over so much.

Whenever people mention the tuition fees debacle I do wonder whether everyone would be prepared to pay a lot more tax in order to cover the cost.

Nobody wants to pay more tax, but everyone wants tax funded health care, education from nursery through university, elderly care (state funded care homes, no self funding), the list goes on.

Nick Clegg was naive and foolish to promise state funded university education, but I don't think he was deliberately lying or misleading. I think the Lib Dems just didn't realise how bad the finances were.

I do think they held back the worst excesses of the Tories. They just didn't have as many spin doctors to manipulate the public.

I agree. I joined the party last week. Clegg has written a good article in the Guardian about the need for another election before article 50 is implemented. Farron hasn't been much in evidence but I saw him speak in London on Saturday and I was quite impressed. I hope Clegg has more of a profile.

By the way, Farron will soon be the longest serving political leader in the country. Bizarre.

If you miss them join. And email your MP urging them to do anything possible to not implement Article 50. It's not over yet.

Yes Tim Farron is on an all out drive to recruit members and their membership has gone up massively since the referendum.

He was at the 2 pro EU marches I was on this week (see photo) so yep he's definitely pro European.

I was thinking about this too! I voted leave but I wish Clegg had been around because I believe he would have shown a better way to debate about the issues. I think the "remain" camp were missing a real pro European.

I also believe they were doing what they needed to do for the country at the time with the coalition.

I liked NIck Clegg.

He's a fucking power house when you see what's currently on offer.

At least Nick Clegg and his wife speak lots of languages - something that earns respect from our European neighbours. Isn't she a European trade lawyer (or similar)?

I liked him too. I think he had no real choice about going into coalition. We need some centre ground to temper the madness on both sides.

YANBU. I also wish the LibDems had shouted more about the moderating influence they had in the coalition.

And, like a PP, I'm also a David Milliband "What if..."er.