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AIBU?

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To want to reduce / cut off contact with inlaws?

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joellevandyne · 22/06/2016 05:25

Long post warning: I'm feeling seriously fed up with my inlaws but am wondering if they are simply garden-variety annoying family and IABU, or if they are toxic enough to go LC (are already circumstantially fairly LC) or NC.

OH is one of three children, and is not close to his parents (neither are his siblings). His father was the classic hands-off father and his mother was a high-stress, screamy mother who smacked regularly. From what OH has told me (he does not like to talk much about it) it sounds abusive, but he struggles to label it as such.

MIL was a teen mother, with children close together, and she lost a fourth child shortly after birth, so along with an uninvolved husband and tight finances, there are reasons that she struggled with parenting, but understanding those reasons as adults doesn't mean OH and his siblings were less scarred as children. All of them have suffered emotional problems; OH and one sibling have had counselling and have dealt with them quite well, the third, not so much.

OH left home early and went into a profession traditionally regarded as 'feminine'. His father made no bones about being embarrassed by this, and they were distant for a long time. Eventually, as OH rose to the very top of his industry, they took some pride in it.

Over the years there have been numerous family dramas, including PIL declaring one of their children 'disowned' for not inviting them to Christmas one year, then later acting like nothing had happened and being offended when said child did not want to do the same. In fact, in general, PIL have a habit of making snide or offensive remarks (see below), and then acting wounded (silent treatment often ensues) if you deflect or even ignore the remarks.

They are very part-time grandparents (to all their grandkids, not just our DCs). We see them perhaps 3-4 times a year (they live out of town, so usually stay a night with us... just one though), and although MIL makes a an exuberant fuss of the children for a couple of hours (and they love the attention), after a couple of hours the attention wanes and I have to actively encourage interaction.

FIL is barely interested in the children and mostly watches sports on TV. The one time I left MIL in charge of DS while I popped out to do a food shop, when I returned, DS had had a serious near-miss accident that by sheer luck only did not result in a hospital visit. Never again. They also swear frequently in front of the kids, and have said things to them that really irritate me, eg, "Look, you've got food all over your face, you stupid boy" (not said in a malicious tone, more 'jokey', but I still find it inappropriate).

I should add that they rarely come to visit just to see the GCs; they usually need to have something else to do in our town in order to justify a visit.

Maybe once or twice a year we visit them, but after a disastrous stay where FIL got roaringly drunk and crashed around for two hours at 2am, yelling "FUCK THE BABY" when asked to keep it down, we've been reluctant to make the effort.

The most recent incident that's aggrieved me probably sounds like small change, but I'm just so sick of it all that it might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

After not attending DD's birthday last month due to FIL being sick, two days ago I had a phone call from PIL wanting to know where I was, because they were about to pass through town in the next hour and wanted to drop a present off (no advance notice of this). I was at work, so I gave MIL the nanny's number to meet up. PIL dropped in briefly to deliver a doll's pram, then left without spending any significant time with the kids (the nanny mentioned being surprised at how little time they stayed for).

Yesterday OH rang his mother to say thanks and mentioned that the kids had been giving each other rides (it is a very sturdy little pram and they are skinny, small toddlers (2 and 3)). An hour later I received a cross text message to say the pram was for dolls and she was "most upset" to hear that the children had been sitting in it themselves. When OH came home, I showed him the message, and he called his mother.

He asked why she texted me instead of saying something when he spoke to her. She said she was too upset, and felt that since they had gone to "so much trouble" to buy it (I know for a fact that they ordered it online, and not until after DD's actual birthday, which seems like the opposite of taking much trouble) that we were disrespecting them by allowing the children to play with it in such a way.

I accept that it's not the intended use, but OH and I are both very careful and would never let the kids do it if we though it would break (I have never had to throw out a toy because it was broken). OH explained this, and said he would prefer her to speak to him in future instead of sending me an "emotional text" about how upset she was. She protested that she was upset and made some implications about us not being firm enough on our (extremely well-behaved) children. OH calmly reiterated that she could have just said that she was concerned that using the pram in that way might damage it. She started crying and said she had to go because she had to cook dinner.

Based on past form, we will now get the silent treatment for weeks or months, and the rest of the family will get a story about how she can't say anything to us for being afraid of being told off.

I guess my questions are AIBU to see this as MIL causing unnecessary drama (she has huge form for this) or are we in the wrong? And overall, do these people sound 'cut-out-of-your-life' toxic, or just irritating but largely harmless, especially since we don't see them more than a few times a year anyway?

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sue51 · 22/06/2016 08:16

They do sound like hard work but then again it's only 3 or 4 times a year. The pram thing is annoying; children are occasionally a bit rough with with toys and your mil was being a bit daft. Just continue to keep them at arms lenght and don't expect too much of them.

joellevandyne · 22/06/2016 08:59

shovetheholly you're undoubtedly right... It's not in the 0.1% percent that needs NC. It's just so hard to find a decent answer to "Why do we bother again?" The kids get a couple of hours of attention a few times a year; we feel like we owe them some loyalty (even though we have to actively manage their feelings for fear of being cut off); what else?

I also realised we do see them more often than 3-4 times a year; I had only the direct visits in my mind, but of course there are usually another 5-10 general family events (weddings, baby showers, birthdays, anniversaries etc) where we will see them, and that inevitably involve a fraught interaction (FIL getting drunk and rude; managing guest lists based on who they're currently mad at, etc).

2nds I didn't make a massive deal over it. I showed OH the message and said, "What's up with this message?" He took it upon himself to call. I agree that it's not "meant" to be ridden, but it's certainly robust enough to withstand it. Kids use toys in all sorts of ways, so if it's not harming it, I don't have an issue. As I said, we're careful with our things.

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RobotLover68 · 22/06/2016 09:15

Based on past form, we will now get the silent treatment for weeks or months

rejoice! at least it will be peaceful

re: the pram, my kids did exactly the same - so what, at least they're playing with it

From what you've said, I'd go low contact and keep them at arms length. That's how I am with my parents. I'd like to go "no contact" but "low contact" is the easier option for me.

MargaretCavendish · 22/06/2016 09:18

It's just so hard to find a decent answer to "Why do we bother again?"

I don't think that this question is really up to you, though, is it? I mean, clearly you wouldn't bother; it sounds like if you and husband split up you'd never see these people again (which is fine!). It's about whether or not he wants to bother. You're acting like you both have the same emotional engagement/response to his parents, but that is almost never the case. He has a much deeper relationship with them. That might mean that he has stronger negative feelings - it sounds like it with the pram incident - but it means it's very hard for you to make decisions on behalf of you both.

shovetheholly · 22/06/2016 09:43

Again, I can only speak personally, but maybe it helps? My answer to "why do we bother" is that I know that DH wants contact. He does love his parents, even though he also rolls his eyes at them and sees them as a pain in the ass - and even though they sometimes stress him to the point he's actually ill! And I completely understand that - his tolerance and forgiveness are traits I benefit from on a regular basis, so I would be a bit of a hypocrite to criticise him for taking that attitude to others.

We are trying to work on coping strategies. DH has had counselling, which really helped, I'm trying to get better at assertiveness and at letting remarks go (BIL has a thing of subtly whistling a part of that song 'Let it Go' from Frozen when something inflammatory is said - they haven't seen the film - and it's so funny that I always end up smiling inside rather than feeling put upon). We're bringing the length of visits down, and I don't engage with passive-aggressive emails any more - DH replies. I would be really interested to hear from others about the things they do.

RaptorInaPorkPieHat · 22/06/2016 09:49

I think, as with a lot of relationships, it's the drip, drip, drip of nothing absolutely horrendous but enough tiny annoyances that build up over time that make you want to reduce contact.

It sounds as if your DH is on side and knows what they're like and how to deal with them, which is fantastic.

shovetheholly · 22/06/2016 10:32

YYY raptor. The things can sound insignificant, trivial and stupid separately, but it's in the context of a relationship where everything is always negative and critical that they wear you down. Like many kinds of emotional bad behaviour, it's not the extreme explosion but the incessant nature of little needlings that is upsetting. I think this is often neglected in threads about these situations where posters have never dealt with that drip-drip-drip you mention.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 22/06/2016 10:41

Ha. If YOU are the ones "managing the guest list" to avoid inviting anyone the PILs are currently at outs with, I'd stop that straight away! Invite whoever YOU want, and if they decide they're not going because Auntie Val and her boyfriend are, then hurrah! One less event to deal with FIL's drinking and abusive language.

I know you've asked on here because this is MN, and your DH is probably not a member, so I'm sure you'll be running all this past him anyway - but as I said before, it does have to be his decision in the end. Support him in whatever he decides to do - but steer him, if he'll let you, towards less contact and less pandering to their wishes.

joellevandyne · 22/06/2016 11:07

Thanks for all the support, and yes, Raptor it's the drip drip drip, the knowledge that every interaction is loaded because something you say or do will be taken the wrong way or repeated to someone else in a twisted manner, or that you'll be cringing when someone is described as a "stupid bitch" in front of your three-year-old, or you'll have the same dumb conversation where FIL asks your thoughts on a subject that it's well-established you have no interest in (say, a sporting code) and acts surprised and disappointed when you remind him that you don't follow it, or you have to negotiate an attempt to pit you against another family member, or refuse to be drawn into a discussion with racist overtones... It's just endless, and it gets exhausting.

And yes, Witches we do to a degree, pander. I guess that having started from a point where we have actively been trying to involve them with the DCs, and a relationship has been established (even if less than ideal), we end up trying to keep the relationship somewhat consistent.

I've always left it to OH to draw the line of contact where he feels comfortable and although he knows that I also find his parents quite painful, I've never expressed an opinion along the lines of "Ideally I'd prefer us to see them even less than we currently do." I suppose I'm wondering if it puts him in an unfair position if I make that clear.

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Lunde · 22/06/2016 11:27

I have a lot of sympathy for you as I had a very difficult MIL.

Your MIL seems tp remember little of the ways that children play with toys - often in different ways than are meant. FIL's drunken rages sound very scary for your kids and I would not be happy about this at all!

I think ultimately you need to let your OH take the lead on how to deal with his parents.

Perhaps the best way would be to keep lines of communication open (let OH take the lead) but not to worry if the visits dwindle - at least it is only a few hours and not them arriving for a month each year. Given the background don't expect them to be the sort of grandparents that you leave your kids with.

girlywhirly · 22/06/2016 12:19

Could you discuss with DH ways in which visits with his parents could be improved? No over night stays, limit to around two hours (MIL'S span of attentive grandparenting), some outdoors or away from the homes, and without alcohol involved. Quality over quantity of visits. You never know, his parents might welcome shorter visits, assuming they aren't too far away.

If visits coincide with PIL needing to do something in your town, that provides a natural cut off point, and they can leave and do what they want. Maybe FIL will be less likely to ignore the DGC if he knows he can leave after a certain amount of time, and stop being so ignorant immersing himself in sport.

rwilkinson84 · 22/06/2016 12:20

Agree with PP - NC might cause more drama so maybe you just stop making an effort? It's not like you haven't tried to and you clearly want your DC to have a relationship with their GP.

I'd just stick to the family events if I were you and enjoy the peace and quiet.

Mummyto2bubs · 28/06/2016 21:48

I totally see where you're coming from, and completely agree with the drip drip drip. My PILs are very similar, and we are now NC (my husband's choice, with my support.) The rest of the family try to understand a little, but no one sees the damage that was done, and was being done, to us. My DH has had counselling, and still finds things hard, but we no longer have the "well, that visit was a complete waste of time" conversations with each other, and the dread that another visit was coming up. I'm the same as you OP, not sure if I'd be welcome on the stately homes thread as it's not my parents, but it causes me a lot of hurt to see what they have done to my DH and the lack of interest they have shown in my DC.

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